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[Veteran_Nadroj Isk]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 02:54:00 -
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So that first DUST game play video of the guy walking around on the war barge showing it off. I was thinking wait...This is were everyone in your clan goes to right? To be shipped off to go blast some people up correct? How much is this thing going to be? It's the central point of the clan/corp other than the MCC correct?
He also mentioned "if you look up on the screen you can see my commander placing the stuff" Well were will the commander be while he is placing this? In a separate room via some door only he is granted access to? Or does he just see a map and click some stuff....I like the security level access door thing better.
And that holographic map will the commanders and his squad leaders be able to chat someone without other people spamming about? You know talk over some strategies hey i think you should put this there instead of there deal.
If anyone knows anything about this or has heard please post below. Or post any speculations that you might have about the war barge! |
[Veteran_NeoprotoD]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:40:00 -
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Looking into my crystal ball here's what I think. This is all speculation on my part.
The War Barge will be the one Dust asset you will see in EVE. I haven't heard if EVE players will be able to target it but this would be an interesting idea to explore. I anticipate it being able to dock with stations in EVE far in the future and then being able to interact with EVE pilots via WiS. I believe it will have everything the corp needs, Merc quarters, marketplace, training rooms, strategy rooms. Who knows maybe one day we'll even be able to shoot at EVE pilots from it?
The MCC is the Mobile Command Center. I think this is where you'll drop installations from (there's an Installation category in the Marketplace that is currently empty) and is the hub of the attacking team, perhaps the defending team as well in other maps. I think of it as a mini-War Barge. As of now the map we're playing just has the MCC trying to dock with a ground installation and we don't really do much with it other than take pot shots at it if we are defending.
I believe CCP will do Alliance Tournament style matches for Dust in the future. I believe they mentioned appealing to professional gamers. It would be interesting if these matches were recorded and played back on the holomap. Other than that the holomap is just pretty to look at. I can't see it being useful for strategy as is, without it getting a bit more detailed. |
[Veteran_Zat Earthshatter]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 03:53:00 -
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I feel like the War Barge will behave slightly different, depending on NPC or player ownership
First off, clone jump tech has improved tremendously, allowing mercs to jump to ANY barge they have acess to
NPC barges can either be static planet-based for battle-moon, in the case of facwar, military versions of NPC couriers. the facwar version has to travel to a fac-war planet to deploy mercs, and makes a tactical (and LP-dropping) target for EVE pilots.
Player barges behave like EVE ships, with a properly-roled DUST merc controlling it via mouse-simmed clicking just like any capsuleer. Solo mercs need to skill up 6 months to a year of skills to fly a barge, corp roles let even fresh meat run a corp one.
Defender barges hover in a static mode over a planet until moved, with commanders having structures deployed anywhere from minutes to years in advance of an attack.
Attacker barges only have a short time to deploy structures before skyfire batteries force it to siege and deploy forces. Once territory is captured, it enters static mode out of enemy skyfire range, and until moved elsewhere behaves just like the defender
Siege mode prevents structure deployment and movement only, causes the ship to invuln, and until territory is captured on the planet below costs fuel. This requires the attacker to gain a beachhead before fuel runs out, lest the barge get blown to bits and TACNET jumps mercs to an NPC barge.
The "lobby" room we have before a match now will show the map and any known changes made by commanders. The commander himself will have a seperate room to thoroughly think over his plans.
Objectives
Attacker: gain territory before siege fuel runs out, then attempt to conquer the rest of the planet!
Defender: hold the invasion zone until attacker barge runs out of fuel, and then blast it out of the sky!
EVE ships can mess with war barges or launch orbitals, spies can steal attacker fuel to hasten a retreat, and of course if theyre too close a war barge can shoot at the other just like any EVE ship can.
This gives lucky mercs a chance to fly amongst the capsuleer gods of EVE, less lucky ones have enough SP in their way to lessen the effect on TQ shipcount, and clear objectives in planetary conquest whether facwar or PvP |
[Veteran_Nadroj Isk]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 18:50:00 -
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Ya all are good. And NeoprotoD what i ment for strategies were on the map you know how in sci fi movies they have a holo map of the area and what is there? Well for my clan i have squad leaders and what not and I want to be able to talk to them so we can go over where we will attack and how ect.
And Zat Earthshatter: Ya i like that and i think that is how it will work but i was thinking that the Barge would be corporate/clan owened and be able to move depending on were you are battling i read somewere that the Barge is the central system for your corp/clan other than the MCC |
[Veteran_Cong Zilla]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 19:23:00 -
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Nadroj Isk wrote:Ya all are good. And NeoprotoD what i ment for strategies were on the map you know how in sci fi movies they have a holo map of the area and what is there? Well for my clan i have squad leaders and what not and I want to be able to talk to them so we can go over where we will attack and how ect.
And Zat Earthshatter: Ya i like that and i think that is how it will work but i was thinking that the Barge would be corporate/clan owened and be able to move depending on were you are battling i read somewere that the Barge is the central system for your corp/clan other than the MCC
I am pretty sure the map we see before a match will be usable in the final build. |
[Veteran_Cong Zilla]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 19:27:00 -
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"Spewing death and hatred from a golden battle barge."
Apparently General Zog is a closet Amarrian. |
[Veteran_NeoprotoD]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 22:51:00 -
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Nadroj Isk wrote:Ya all are good. And NeoprotoD what i ment for strategies were on the map you know how in sci fi movies they have a holo map of the area and what is there? Well for my clan i have squad leaders and what not and I want to be able to talk to them so we can go over where we will attack and how ect.
And Zat Earthshatter: Ya i like that and i think that is how it will work but i was thinking that the Barge would be corporate/clan owened and be able to move depending on were you are battling i read somewere that the Barge is the central system for your corp/clan other than the MCC
That makes sense and sounds like a good use of the map. If that were the case I would hope they would put more detail into it or give players control over the perspective and the ability to zoom. |
[Veteran_Cong Zilla]
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Posted - 2012.06.04 22:56:00 -
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The only issue I see is, well this is EVE, we kill space ships. Dust barges should not be able to fly through space with impunity. Killing someones Dust reinforcements en-route needs to be an option. Arial superiority is key in any war. |
[Veteran_Nadroj Isk]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:18:00 -
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Cong Zilla wrote:The only issue I see is, well this is EVE, we kill space ships. Dust barges should not be able to fly through space with impunity. Killing someones Dust reinforcements en-route needs to be an option. Arial superiority is key in any war.
That's correct! Most people would be traveling in a convoy anyways but still they should be able to you know blow up |
[Veteran_Alpha SnakeBlood]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:56:00 -
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War barges should also be fairly hardy and be able to defend them selfs after all i think i heard somewhere that they are 2 km long and thats bigger than most battleships and considering its primary use in life is its a "war"barge so it probably armed to the teeth. |
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[Veteran_Nadroj Isk]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:51:00 -
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Alpha SnakeBlood wrote:War barges should also be fairly hardy and be able to defend them selfs after all i think i heard somewhere that they are 2 km long and thats bigger than most battleships and considering its primary use in life is its a "war"barge so it probably armed to the teeth.
Ya |
[Veteran_jenza aranda]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:42:00 -
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can someone link this vid you speak of? |
[Veteran_Xocoyol Zaraoul]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:04:00 -
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Alpha SnakeBlood wrote:War barges should also be fairly hardy and be able to defend them selfs after all i think i heard somewhere that they are 2 km long and thats bigger than most battleships and considering its primary use in life is its a "war"barge so it probably armed to the teeth.
I'm still betting that a battleship or three would be able to tackle one, considering they are the same size of a Dreadnought/Carrier/Freighter (which Dreads are armed to the teeth but specialized for war). Carriers are the same size as dropships, but due to carrying stuff they are pretty easy to kill as a ship (not counting fighters), and considering War Barges carry MCCs and troops, instead of fighters, I'm willing to bet they will be extremely tough like Jump Freighters or Carriers/Super Carriers, but pretty defenseless without support.
Given how EVE loves to divide things into roles, I'm willing to bet War Barges need escorts to keep a gang of Stealth Bombers from giving it a rude forced orbital entry.
The entry scene to DUST shows a Warbarge deploying an MCC which takes up a considerable amount of room (looks cruiser sized), and every picture/cutscene shows them defenseless unlike every other ship. Heck, even the MCCs are unarmed due to carrying troops/deployments, not even Frig guns to defend itself like a mere hauler has in EVE. |
[Veteran_jenza aranda]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:16:00 -
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actually early videos of mccs do show them shooting |
[Veteran_Nadroj Isk]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:35:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:actually early videos of mccs do show them shooting
jenza aranda: this is about war barges totally different from mcc's |
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