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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3381	Posted - 2015.04.19 11:39:00 - [1] - Quote My challenge to you guys is to theory craft me a viable, hard hitting Laser rifle fit that is NOT on an Amarr Assault. I personally feel that the LR is a little too weak to be a viable option on a non Amarr Assault suit but I want you guys to show me the error of my ways. I have been using a Kaalikiota Assault BPO with BPO Templar LR with very mixed results. Its free so don't complain lol. Let the crafting commence! (Edit - www.protofits.com is a good resource) Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 5694	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:01:00 - [2] - Quote Is it even possible? I remember a couple of dudes from Dust Brasil S.A. who were running around with LR MinScouts during one match and I couldn't help but feel sorry for them.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 768	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:10:00 - [3] - Quote Amarr commando. 2 x complex reps 1 x complex reactive plate 1 x complex damage mod Viziam laser rifle Assault scram to taste Nano hive. Nice thing about the LR is the range mitigates being slow as hell. Solid EHP, enough regen to stand and deliver, assault scram is really performing in CQC currently. The main selling point though is the damage bonus, though. Works really well on a weapon that has an increasing damage curve. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18347	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:16:00 - [4] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Amarr commando. 2 x complex reps 1 x complex reactive plate 1 x complex damage mod Viziam laser rifle Assault scram to taste Nano hive. Nice thing about the LR is the range mitigates being slow as hell. Solid EHP, enough regen to stand and deliver, assault scram is really performing in CQC currently. The main selling point though is the damage bonus, though. Works really well on a weapon that has an increasing damage curve. This is what I often choose over the Amarr Assault. While it can't hit the same damage threshold it still hits hard and is really good for suppressing enemy teams. You could probably do one on any suit that allows you to stack 3x damage modules since the Amarr Commando really only gets a static 10% booster plus your one damage module. The Amarr Assault only really gets more damage than other suits because of how long it can fire. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3828	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:17:00 - [5] - Quote X Logistics: Highs: Damage Mods or Shield Extenders. Lows: Armor and Armor Repair Equipment: Drop Uplinks, Repair Tool, Nanohive Weapon: Laser Rifle Set up on a roof, provide support fire and a safe place to spawn for your team. 'Viable' is a really low bar to set. A Nova Knife only Scout is viable but not as good as a Shotgun and Cloak Scout. The above works just like any other Logistics that sets up a nest for their little chicks except they use a Laser Rifle. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 531	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:22:00 - [6] - Quote gall assult gk.o 3 complex lights 2 complex reps 1 complex reactive 2 enhanced armour plates k-2 hive core locus nades boundless breach smg Vizam laser rifle. go to town and have fun. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 768	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:28:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Amarr commando. 2 x complex reps 1 x complex reactive plate 1 x complex damage mod Viziam laser rifle Assault scram to taste Nano hive. Nice thing about the LR is the range mitigates being slow as hell. Solid EHP, enough regen to stand and deliver, assault scram is really performing in CQC currently. The main selling point though is the damage bonus, though. Works really well on a weapon that has an increasing damage curve. This is what I often choose over the Amarr Assault. While it can't hit the same damage threshold it still hits hard and is really good for suppressing enemy teams. You could probably do one on any suit that allows you to stack 3x damage modules since the Amarr Commando really only gets a static 10% booster plus your one damage module. The Amarr Assault only really gets more damage than other suits because of how long it can fire. What's the total benefit from three complex damage mods after you've taken stacking penalties Ito account? My rough, probably incorrect calculation puts it at around 17-18%. Commando and a single damage mod can compete with damage stacking assaults I feel, with the added benefit of not having to pay the exorbitant fitting costs. But I may be incorrect. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2606	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:34:00 - [8] - Quote ^3 dmg mod assaults do about 1% more damage than commando. It's not so much an issue of the laser being 'bad' on other suits (it's still quite good), just that the laser is overwhelmingly good on the amarr assault and allllll the stupid that gets into people's heads when they hear the soft hissing of a laser (OMG GET TO COVER, JUMP, DIP, DUCK, DODGE, DIVE, DODGE!). The only other issue is that people don't like weapons they don't feel they can defend themselves in cqc with. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 105	Posted - 2015.04.19 13:03:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ^3 dmg mod assaults do about 1% more damage than commando. allllll the stupid that gets into people's heads when they hear the soft hissing of a laser (OMG GET TO COVER, JUMP, DIP, DUCK, DODGE, DIVE, DODGE!). I have always wondered how to put into words the panic of hearing that godd*mn hiss. 10/10 to ya, mate. May you be blessed with likes and have the luck of avoiding lazers. o7 I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Vyzion Eyri WarRavens 2819	Posted - 2015.04.19 13:54:00 - [10] - Quote Used to use a Laser Rifle on my logistics suit, since it's so obvious, enemies run for cover when they see me firing, and while they wait for me to stop, my heavy(ies) are sneaking up on them. The Mass Driver did the same thing, and I liked it better because I got kills, but the laser rifle had the added bonus of getting scarier as time goes on, so the chance someone would pop their head out gets less likely as the heavies get closer. Also, I would think it'd make a good combination with a sniper rifle on a Commando suit for medium-range sniping. An example is Border Gulch. Take a dropship to the big cylinder by the red side's CRU, you have a wonderful view for sniping and if anyone tries to shoot you down, you laser their faces. Bring rep hives, set them up at the back, and equip a nice armour tank for the other snipers. > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 205	Posted - 2015.04.19 14:28:00 - [11] - Quote I use it on my logo suit so I can take off the enemy's shield before my team close in on them. People also seem to be less concerned about being hit with my LR compared to things like SCR, so don't suck so quickly (so I actually get some kills!)
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4546	Posted - 2015.04.19 14:31:00 - [12] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Used to use a Laser Rifle on my logistics suit, since it's so obvious, enemies run for cover when they see me firing, and while they wait for me to stop, my heavy(ies) are sneaking up on them. The Mass Driver did the same thing, and I liked it better because I got kills, but the laser rifle had the added bonus of getting scarier as time goes on, so the chance someone would pop their head out gets less likely as the heavies get closer. Also, I would think it'd make a good combination with a sniper rifle on a Commando suit for medium-range sniping. An example is Border Gulch. Take a dropship to the big cylinder by the red side's CRU, you have a wonderful view for sniping and if anyone tries to shoot you down, you laser their faces. Bring rep hives, set them up at the back, and equip a nice armour tank for the other snipers. This might have worked once, but nowadays I'll just fit a shotgun and some myofibs (or even save the shotgun, I guess), jump up and CQC you in the face. Height isn't as all-powerful as it once was... Nobody panic! My 'like' button is fixed!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23247	Posted - 2015.04.19 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Is it even possible? I remember a couple of dudes from Dust Brasil S.A. who were running around with LR MinScouts during one match and I couldn't help but feel sorry for them. ... If you overheat, you die. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3385	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:03:00 - [14] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Amarr commando. 2 x complex reps 1 x complex reactive plate 1 x complex damage mod Viziam laser rifle Assault scram to taste Nano hive. Nice thing about the LR is the range mitigates being slow as hell. Solid EHP, enough regen to stand and deliver, assault scram is really performing in CQC currently. The main selling point though is the damage bonus, though. Works really well on a weapon that has an increasing damage curve. Thanks I may take this into consideration. Also by the way guys I got a very few CQC kills with the Templar LR recently! Wheyyyy. Did CCP buff its close range damage? Also I agree with that others have said, the way the LR works you really need to get the latter part of the beam charge onto target a lot more so than the start. The problem is by the time people realise that they are being hit with a LR, they jump, dodge and dive around making it nigh on impossible to keep the beam on target. Tell you what though, its awesome at chewing through many unsuspecting targets! The Amarr Assault makes the weapon a proper force to be reckoned with. I might try the Amarr Commando (even though I hate heavy frame suits) but I feel anything less and the weapon is at best a niche under performer. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 327	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:22:00 - [15] - Quote Use the amarr commando and aim for the head Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Taskanoss What The Pho 58	Posted - 2015.04.20 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote And here is where the fun begins. Just put an ELM-7 LR on a Cal Logi CK.0 and it turned out to be a magical experience. Here is what I was running: High Slots- 5x Complex damage mods Low Slots- 1x Complex armor plate 2x Enhanced armor plates 1x Complex CPU Equipment- 1x A-19 Stable Scanner 1x K/D Rep Nanohive 1x Wiyrkomi Nanohive Faces were melted and fear of the beam was ingrained. Do you have Erectile Dustfunction? Take 500mg of Caldari twice daily until scrub symptoms subside.


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