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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:12:00 -
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If your hair is actually red, my apologies. It's just a colloquialism.
So, I see threads about melee.
I see threads about the Ion Pistol.
When is this last time you read a thread about the Magsec SMG?
When was the last time you got killed by one? Saw one in the killfeed?
What is wrong with this strange firearm? Is it Caldari? I'm not even sure.
Do you use it? Do you own sorry, no good so-n-so's with it?
Will you tell me to point a couple of points in it, it's actually good?
I wanna hear from the Magsec 1%.
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Isa Lucifer
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
195
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:19:00 -
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I like it.
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1352
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:24:00 -
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I try to use it now and again but it just dosent do well as my basic smg
It dosent do enough damage in cqc when Im sniping and some one trys to sneak up on me
Also i would love to know why there is a Ishukone Smg please
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
10172
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:27:00 -
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As a person who uses a Side-arm that most people says sucks.
The Magsec does not suck.
The Bolt Pistol when it came out, did not suck.
What the problem was, was OP alternatives that were better than that weapon in every way. The hit detection was terrible as well which both the Ion and Bolt pistol suffered from right off the bat. CCP then for some reason buffed the hell out of the Aim adhesion for bolt pistols as well as damage.....because Logic?
Maybe slight tuning along with the Ion Pistol but it doesn't need anything drastic.
As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
962
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:31:00 -
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I use the MagSex on my Sentinel suits and to be honest I like it. I know most other sents use the Bolt Pistol or the SMG, but I find the MagSex better.
To answer your question the last time I saw it in the killfeed would be in the last skirmish I played.
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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VAHZZ
Arrary of Clusters
1438
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:42:00 -
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I only use the Ion, that is my only sidearm. On my ninja novas are my light weapon, Ion still my sidearm.
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nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
86
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:53:00 -
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I have profiency 3 n like all rail weapons once it gets to this point it can become extremly usefull. Pretty much all caldari gear n weapons n suits its true value on the field (besides bolt lol) it takes practice n different setups to get use to |
Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1354
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:54:00 -
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nelo kazuma wrote:I have profiency 3 n like all rail weapons once it gets to this point it can become extremly usefull. Pretty much all caldari gear n weapons n suits its true value on the field (besides bolt lol) it takes practice n different setups to get use to
Why use light weapons when I can run double bolt pistols lol xD
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.04.19 05:58:00 -
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Most sidearm usage, from my own filthy experience, is in CQC.
Magsec sucks in that regard. Yeah, maybe it is decent at near AR ranges, but I have, oh gee, I don't know... My main freaking weapon for that!
I have no reason to whip one out. Weapon combos with the Magsec are less than stellar:
Swarms? Oh, gee. Somebody in close quarters? -> Magsec does not have your back.
Rail Rifle? Oh, gee. Somebody in close quarters, again. -> Magsec does not have your back.
Combat Rifle? Oh, gee. Somebody in Magsec distance. -> Combat Rifle got your back.
Laser Rifle? Oh, gee. Somebody is close to you. -> Ain't nothin' got your back.
In some cases, the Magsec may be a decent sidearm... But regardless, the Magsec is complete trash as backup to it's same racial workhorse rifle (Rail Rifle).
The SMG is a good backup to the Combat Rifle.
The Ion Pistol is good backup to the AR.
The Scrambler Pistol is a good backup to the Scrambler Rifle.
The Magsec, though? You'd be insane to pair that with the Rail Rifle.
TLDR: The Magsec: It sucks at CQC, sucks with any Caldari weapon pairing, and is lackluster at range due to recoil/charge up/sights. Unlike other sidearms, the Magsec fills no niche snugly. It lacks focus.
[Note: The above may contain opinions and voodoo. Pointing that out is pointless, because I just did that for you, jerkoff.]
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
2726
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Posted - 2015.04.19 07:03:00 -
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My hair is red no worrys. Yeah the only time i see in the killfeed is when im using it.
I used to use it on my logi and it worked well.
I use it on SOME of my scout fits, but since i got my Toxin i rarely use anything else. Its kind of a weird weapon, but i like using
it. Barely anyone used it when it first came out, id say less than 1% use it now.
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nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
86
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Posted - 2015.04.19 07:55:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:nelo kazuma wrote:I have profiency 3 n like all rail weapons once it gets to this point it can become extremly usefull. Pretty much all caldari gear n weapons n suits its true value on the field (besides bolt lol) it takes practice n different setups to get use to Why use light weapons when I can run double bolt pistols lol xD
Cuzz rr a beeeeaaasssst lol |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2602
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Posted - 2015.04.19 08:50:00 -
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Part of the issue is with the standard SMG just being prettymuch outright the best sidearm in the game. Part of it is that the magsec lacks an optic. Part of it is that the magsec is either arguably way too accurate or has wonky hit detection.
It's an okay weapon, but it has some issues (namely the ranges where you should actually feel comfortable using it, primary weapons are dealing >200 dps over you). Its kick and hyper-accuracy make it a little bit wonky to use, and it suffers from a lot of the same bugs & glitches that other rail weapons have (ghost firing is a prime example).
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
343
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Posted - 2015.04.19 09:20:00 -
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Some players like high dispersion, or medium dispersion, or tight dispersion in CQC fights.
I do well with the magsec. I allows you to have a higher damage per clip without headshots at higher ranges compared to other side arms.
I got prof 4, optimization 3, reload 3, ammo 2.
I use it a lot. it works well as a sidearm armor damaging AR, when combined with a HMG it works wonders against those who try to slightly and moderately outrange the HMG.
The weapon is not as other sidearms in reference to recoil. It is almost useless at operation 1 because the recoil is very bad. At operation 5 it is only just usable in city environments. Its Aim Down Sights recoil needs to be reduced in order for the weapon to be as good as other weapons. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
3381
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Posted - 2015.04.19 11:02:00 -
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The Magsec just has too much kick, especially while aiming down the sights.
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dzizur
Nos Nothi
226
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Posted - 2015.04.19 11:38:00 -
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I really like that weapon, how it operates and etc, but constant jamming while pressing "fire" too fast just makes the gun too unreliable to use for me |
LT SHANKS
You In The Nutz
5694
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Posted - 2015.04.19 11:46:00 -
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If some shady merchant in a back alley pulled me to the side and said, "You can pick only one" out of a selection of:
Kaalakiota MagSec SMG - All associated skills max
MLT Ion Pistol - No skill point investments
3 Basic Myofibril Stimulants
I'd pick the MLT Ion Pistol or the myofibril stims over the Proto Magsec... |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
3828
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Posted - 2015.04.19 11:48:00 -
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It doesn't suck. It actually operates quite well as the Caldari take on a sub-machine gun. It fires slower, has a kick like a donkey with Satan on their back, does more damage per hit, and has fewer bullets. It actually works quite well in that regard as being how the Caldari would use that type of weapon.
The problem is that the Magsec is a decent sidearm but the other sidearms that exist work well as Primary Weapons rather than Backups. This is to say, "the Magsec is slightly weaker." If you want a spray and pray sidearm, the SMG is superior especially with zero or limited points in it. If you want a more precision weapon, the Bolt Pistol or Scrambler Pistol are superior. There is also the fact that if you are using a Rail weapon, I don't think you would want a sidearm that also has a charge delay. It isn't a bad weapon it is just that a B student doesn't compare to the A or A- students.
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
Learning Alliance
140
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Posted - 2015.04.19 13:23:00 -
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The magsec has saved me more times than I can think. I love the sound it makes as it takes a clones life
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Henrietta Unknown
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1214
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Posted - 2015.04.19 15:21:00 -
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Range isn't something exactly workable, since it's a sidearm, but other factors need looking at.
That optic should've been implemented, but a misunderstanding made it a BP feature....we know how unbalanced that is.
That kick...gawd that kick needs toning down.
I only work with Kaalakiota Magsecs. TBF, it's not unusable, like Kirk said, but it pales in potency against every other sidearm. I have become accustomed to getting either assists or deaths whenever I pull it out. A MinAss won't take any headshot damage even while still (having just entered the inertia damp animation), though I suspect that instance may have been because latency.
And people said it would be OP when it came out...
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6084
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Posted - 2015.04.19 15:49:00 -
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An automatic weapon that has to charge is stupid.
Now, an automatic SIDEARM that has to charge is downright ********.
Some details can be ignored
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P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
1453
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Posted - 2015.04.19 15:57:00 -
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I run the magsec on my caldari forgegun alt. While I do get kills with it, and the range is better than the submachine gun, it is still the worst sidearm I have used. The MLT Bolt Pistol is twice as good as the PRO magsec in terms of ttk at range. The charge is negligible, but the kick is insane. I never understood why the caldari long range weapons have so much kick. Please reduce the damage and the kick dramatically on the caldari weapons. Even with a small damage per shot, the skilled will put a larger amount of shots on the target.
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Sicerly Yaw
Quantum times
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Posted - 2015.04.19 16:21:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:If your hair is actually red, my apologies. It's just a colloquialism.
So, I see threads about melee.
I see threads about the Ion Pistol.
When was the last time you read a thread about the Magsec SMG?
When was the last time you got killed by one? Saw one in the killfeed?
What is wrong with this strange firearm? Is it Caldari? I'm not even sure.
Do you use it? Do you own sorry, no good so-n-so's with it?
Will you tell me to put a couple of points in it, that it's actually good?
I wanna hear from the Magsec 1%.
the magsec is basically comparable to the assault rr, the spool up gets you killed at close and long range because by the time you see someone they usually see you too and in that amount of time they probably already took you out where as you might have shot a few rounds but no nearly enough to be significant
also the kick isn't as bad but it is comparable maybe a bit less noticeable tho
the best way to use it I have found to be at mid range without using the sight, you can move faster and still get in hits |
Squagga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
497
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Posted - 2015.04.19 16:27:00 -
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I like both the magsec and the bolt pistol. I actually prefer them to my RR at this point. I feel as though they are very well balanced. I actually didn't like the bolt pistol, when it first came out. But with the rpms the way they are. I kill quite efficiently with it
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
343
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Posted - 2015.04.19 16:52:00 -
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Old magsec was alright... Before the clip was increased by 4
Idk... Something about it was right..........
Oh... Magsec prof 3. I like it.
Just like how i liked the old bolt... But noooo it just had to get "first shooter's advantage" treatment.
As for that kick....
Calass skill for it! Every cal ass been asking for a reduction to kick too!
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