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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11499	Posted - 2015.04.17 02:39:00 - [1] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: By having the minimum level set at 4 right now it will ensure that only those with significant experience in dust will be trading at first and they will be working the bugs out. These same ones should be smart enough to avoid being completely screwed by scammers, but at the same time they have the ability to take a lose a lot easier if they do get scammed. I think it's smart to start at level 4 and let's see how it plays out... Once the bugs are worked out then open it up to lower levels and such... Source: Sticky Thread on Player Trading Now that he puts it that way, I guess this is a good point. Let's all not forget that scamming a common and LEGAL occurrence in Eve Online as well as in Dust 514 since both are set in New Eden which is often regarded by outsiders as the Mos Eisley of the MMO industry. You will never find a more vicious hive of scum and villainy. But even in Eve Online there are safe systems (we call these starter systems) where new players are given protection from being scammed in those systems on day one. Once they leave the starter systems and into the shark-infested regions of space, they become fair game because then it is assumed that the new player who leaves these systems is ready to become a shark like the rest of us. Keep in mind that there are people out there who never heard of Eve Online let alone know or understand why we act like it's the Cantina in Star Wars. It's ok for new players to be intimidated by this, but not when it's too much on day one. But considering that we don't have such a mechanic in Dust 514, the Loyalty Ranking system will have to do as an alternative. You can't allow new players to start trading based on SP alone since new players can just create a character, leave it baking in the oven for a year, and then come back to start playing without having any knowledge on how we all roll in New Eden. You can't base it off of the number of matches or WPs gained or something like that either since shooting a gun teaches you NOTHING about New Eden-style trade. Let's also not forget that we don't have a proper tutorial system in place to help these new players understand on day one. They have to rely on forum discussions like this or help from veterans in-game at the moment. Besides, it would not be in the best interest of Dust 514 if a new player who has never heard of the concept of New Eden gets scammed out of his/her 'Roden' Commando G-I BPO due to the nature of a trust-based trade system on which no tutorial exists for on day one. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11500	Posted - 2015.04.17 02:53:00 - [2] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: What if you had a level 4 lockout unless your character had 500+k WP? That way you would not alienate the veterans who have been playing for a while. The thing about the LR system is that it favors AUR purchases too much. Someone with $25 can just get to LR4 fairly quickly. And again, WPs wouldn't matter since shooting a gun or running logi doesn't teach you anything about trade. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11500	Posted - 2015.04.17 02:54:00 - [3] - Quote da GAND wrote: ^ I understand having restrictions like these are important but I'm at loyalty rank lvl 3 and I've been here for quite some time. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/da_GAND That's what having me scratch my head right now. PS: How often have you been playing since creating the character? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11502	Posted - 2015.04.17 05:09:00 - [4] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: What if you had a level 4 lockout unless your character had 500+k WP? That way you would not alienate the veterans who have been playing for a while. The thing about the LR system is that it favors AUR purchases too much. Someone with $25 can just get to LR4 fairly quickly. And again, WPs wouldn't matter since shooting a gun or running logi doesn't teach you anything about trade. Please tell me, what in this game teaches anyone about trade? That's exactly my point. There is practically NOTHING here in Dust that teaches about trade. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11506	Posted - 2015.04.17 18:36:00 - [5] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: That point would be very valid if, and only if, CCP had announced that it would be lowered once all the bugs had been squashed by the vets. I donGÇÖt believe they have said anything of the sort. Having a level 4 requirement is nothing but a cash grab. Conveniently it translates to about $20 pack you can purchase to unlock trading. If CCP was only afraid of alt farmers they could have settled with rank 1 or 2. Achieving those would still take significant amount of time, especially if youGÇÖre looking at a GÇ£real farmerGÇ¥ with alts in the double digits. So you are free to farm alts as much as you like so long as you pay CCP royalties for the privilege. And GÇ£loyalty rankGÇ¥ has absolutely nothing to do with experience. A new player who started a month ago can buy that $20 pack and start trading. So the level 4 lock does nothing to shield those poor innocent players from the cruelty of New Eden. It may be a cash grab but the point of it is to make it as difficult as possible to farm alts rather than stop it because stopping it is impossible due to the nature of clever players. Eve Online players can farm alts as well but it's an expensive proposition for them to do so because of time and subscription cost. As you notice, cash is an effective barrier against farming. Only the rich players would be able to pull it off and even then they would often question the point of doing so in the first place. This keeps the number of farmers and their impact on the game to a minimum. As for your final statement, I agree as well. That only further emphasizes my point that there is nothing in Dust that prepares new players on how to trade safely. Many won't even realize that there are brokers to rely on for some safety in their transactions. Example: https://trello.com/b/9rvQwtvG/dust-bunny-day-traders https://trello.com/b/rq5ew1jg/seller-customer-quality-check I'm hoping that by the time CCP lowers the barrier of entry to trading they would also take the time to implement all the tools necessary to fully understand trading in general. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11506	Posted - 2015.04.17 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote shaman oga wrote: [...] If the scam was the problem they would have made a barter system, 2 players start a trading session. A simple table with 2 boxes appears (one for each player) Both players see what is on the table (isk or items) When both are satified, both have to press accept Stop, easy concept, 100% antiscam. [...] It is not 100% scamproof. Eve Online has the same system in place and we call it the trade window. Clever players can scam people if they play their cards right. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11518	Posted - 2015.04.18 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: Can you imagine the amount of tickets CCP is going to get from bogus trades? I'll answer that question with another question. Can you imagine the amount of tickets CCP will ignore from people complaining about bogus trades? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11518	Posted - 2015.04.18 19:07:00 - [8] - Quote Just updated the OP. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

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