Bleed their ISK...BLEED IT!!!

Salvage sold for peanuts,btw to NPC or traded out at risk to the traders and minus 10% or something stupid as well.

Here you go https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2715403

(You might have to copy the URL to the bar, been getting 404 errors lately from links for some reason)

In the future make sure you have all of the information before going on an emotionally driven tirade. Its unbecoming.

I didn't say the sky is falling, scoobie. I said PC pay is. Kain is proving that, with his 200k profit on his 1.7M payout. Pay has fallen to standard Pub Match profit margins. Pay has fallen, been driven down, with the idea it will be made up for elsewhere. Where and how that "elsewhere" is will be determined "Soon(TM)". In the mean time, a distinctive gamemode in a game without enough content to begin with gets homogenized into being identical to already existing gamemodes.

My comment on the salvage is an aside to the greater issue, not a replacement, troll. Shouldn't you be on a mic being an idiot somewhere and not in here pretending to know how to read?

LOL

Nice trolltears.

You don't win, you deserve to lose. Period.

I personally have given out multiple districts directly to new and small corps, in alliance, out of alliance even to "enemies". Hell, while your scrub self was evidently busy QQing about how unfair PC is I was literally selling clones off districts, at a healthy 0 profit btw, so make them "Unoccupied" so that ANYONE could place their own clones and PC.


Hilarious you want to talk **** to me but while you've been busy talking I've been busy PCing.

GG

Thank You





Ok, now those are nice ideas BUT clearly there isn't a fully finalized and ready to implement set of parameters there. BMK? So, more LP? More rebranding of the same already existing elements as a guise of "new content"? I'm not buying, but whatever.

Long story short, if this is the totality of the info at this time then the assertion that PC payouts should be restructured rigt now is an absolute Farce.

Payouts have been redrawn so that later on they can be added to. Why not have everything ready to go, THEN redraw them? Losers, apparently, can't handle being told and shown that they LOST, and need a feel-good prize. A....scrubaward? Fine. I understand that. But...a Profit ?? Even if you lose, you still win? That's Pub stuff and should stay there.



Inb4 the next yaddayaddaL337piratevikingpubstar, I wouldn't get paid from a loss either. Learn to punch up instead of insisting on dragging down.

Horizons' Edge was a recipient of a Cap Aq district, and another from Shidi..Yoshi(Sp?)

Before we received our districts we launched 6 clones packs so players that were new to Planetary Conquest could get the feel for it and develop a new mindset for competitive play. We win about half of those matches, including a Re-up. Time passes and we receive our districts.

Nyain San attacks us with 360 clones. Naturally, my guys get worried because the bane of their pubstomps was knocking at the door, and being a NEW team to PC, they felt unprepared and worried. Match comes along, they have EVE support, match proceeds, we lose by 2 MCC ticks. We were missing quite a few 'A-team' players, but we toughed it out for 3 matches. We all had fun, and surprisingly morale was raised at the thought of us overcoming them.

We're still developing, but fighting other teams that are on our level, while sparring with established PC corps will hopefully get us to the level of being able to put up a good fight against Cap Aq.

I don't check the district flips that often, but I do believe a handful of hispanic corporations entered Molden Heath. I believe that some corporations are just lacking in manpower and are waiting to be able to field 16 of their own players in a match. I think it is either that, or people don't want to harden up.

Answering your listed questions
Yes
No
No
Currently developing our team. SoonTM

Longer post delays than what I'd prefer, I try to forum while at work I can get paid for doing it. It gets busy, RL comes first.

Anyways, I owe an apology also for my... vitriol... in describing loss rewards as scrubawards. Plenty of damn good players lose sometimes, myself included. Sometimes, we lose hard on both the match and the isk. **** happens in combat and "scrub" is a lose term that often has little to do with it.

So, from a more relaxed frame of mind, issues with the PC Payout changes are as follows, one far worse than the other:

1. Win Pay sucks now (the lesser issue of the two). By previously recorded accounts PC wins now are paying, after losses, Profit Margins right about or slightly above Pub margins. This is bad. For the work, the risk and the effort involved to win ISK payout must be significantly higher than whats generated from goofing off in Pubs. Otherwise, there's very little incentive for individual mercs to dig down and fight tough battles against tough opponents, and barely incentive to fight easy battles since the overall profits are identical to pubs. Pubs also having the income generation advantage of loading and queuing significantly faster with waaaay less LAG. Same pay for less work and a better experience? Where will people go, I wonder, hmm.....?

2. PC Match Loss can now be Profitable (the more serious issue). Prior to changes, losses didn't pay. At all. A winner take all kind of thing. Obviously, for the greater playerbase since its a part of whats been done, this doesn't work as well as it could. Instead of players taking hard knocks and learning hard lessons and improvingthey quit and cry. I get it. The game is tough sometimes and easily construed as overly punishing relative to other games. PC loss pay ties rigt into that because, OMG, there was a Loss that wasn't rewarded somehow. So, now there's pay on PC Losses. Fine.

But Profits ? Is that really whats appropriate here? In this game, in this game universe and at this particular game level?? I don't share the opinion that BPOs should be banned from PC or removed from the game all together however that they are FREE suits, whose use means 0 risk, then their use should NOT be rewarded. Just like a LOSS in Planetary Conquest should not be PROFITABLE . Should there be some...pay...for losing? Sure, fine. But not Profit. Its a LOSS. Allowing Profits makes it a WIN because all of this is about dem iskies! Whether they're generated from salvage or translated as LP or BMKs or CPs its all about buying stuff and doing stuff and that all comes down to isk! And in this universe, 0-isk risked is supposed to equal 0-isk rewarded!

Now, is there a solution that allows for the New Vision to occur and allows the existing Fundamental Values of New Eden to coexist? I'm sure there is, we just need to generate one.

I propose that any kill from a BPO in PC not be paid to the merc in the BPO. Simple as that. The coding is obviously rallying who kills what so a little mod to that which basically "if" the kill is from a BPO suit "then" that tally for rhat kill "equals" ZERO.
Run them BPOs and save a buck, cool. But you're not going to make a buck.


flame it up trolls! I have a case of beer, a bag o mallows and a bottle of 151 ready!

Introductory emails have been sent to the whole group with the relevant information.

Let's see how this goes!

Uhh....who established contact?