Any intentions of revision in the future if BPO's and APEX suits start to become a major issue? I.E: Team A knows they're going to lose the fight so they just hammer out a bunch of BPO's for the lulz, not incurring any loss at all on their behalf?

What about LP/Aurum items? How are they calculated into all of this?

xD!!!!!

Are you serious? so we just replaced ISK farming with ISK farming for screwing around in a PC match?

Sign me up. Lock the districts and let's all have a blast finding out who can get killed the most running BPO LAVs into the side of a tank. Sounds like great fun for racing tournaments. Just have a bunch of tanks trying to blow up BPO LAVs while they run around the map. Don't even bother hacking the objectives, just blow each other up for the lulz. Hell, I have a capture card, I'll record it and edit it all on the house.

EDIT: Dude just CONCORD sanction the BPO's out and be done with it.

Then let's set the math aside.

What functional, logical, immersive, or performance gaining reason do you have for having BPO's in PC? What is their functional purpose other than exploiting a defensive move to freely defend a district you know you are going to lose and forcing the enemy to incur ISK losses by doing so? How is that in any way fair for the attackers who have to deal with it?

Scorched Earth tactics are burning everything as you fall back to prevent the enemy from using it.

Scorched Earth tactics are -NOT- letting them have it anyway and giving them a run for their money with absolutely no risk on your end.

It'd be cool if it were a choice factor but this is an obvious choice. If I lose the first battle for the district, the second is where I start weighing my options. If I feel it's absolutely necessary to keep the district, I'll fight - otherwise, why bother wasting ISK? It's not a choice, it's a default, and every PC entity -ever- will make that choice; thereby, it's not so much a choice as a "use this tactic always and forever".

It's going to get old -real freaggin quick- and, again, I see absolutely no reason why it should be a thing. The entire point of all of this was to offer good fights, wasn't it? Why sacrifice or risk those good fights by giving a mechanic like this when the simple solution is to simply prevent BPO's and APEX suits from being used in PC?

Every time I brought up BPOs and APEXs, I heard "we don't have an economy for them to affect". Okay, well, we have player trading. We have asset selling. How far back are we going to move this goal post before we start seriously considering the implications that riskless, lossless assets have on the game?

EDIT: Long story short, you're just taking one terrible meta (players giving up early and just letting their enemies have the district) and replacing it with another (fielding BPOs and doing damage with no risk/loss). The only players losing with this new mechanic are the attackers.

Look, there is no justifying the use of BPO's or APEX's in PC.

The entire point of both of those were for players to accumulate ISK - citing we didn't have an economy to screw over - and that's the entire reason for them existing now while looking cool. The looking cool bit is being hashed out with SKINs and we now have player trading and asset selling which is, essentially, a rudimentary economy. We have trade forums now and this only strengthens the argument that the economy is now in play.

I feel like I'm repeating myself with this (maybe because it wasn't properly tackled the last time I brought it up, for whatever reason).

In PC though? They're fundamentally unnecessary. Looking cool? SKINs. Accumulating ISK? You should not be doing this in PC and as Pokey keeps bringing up, profitability isn't in ISK with PC 2.0 (even though he admits that right now it's not in play and the system is derp). I'm -REALLY- having serious doubts as to why BPO's and APEX's should have any role at all in PC other than the inevitable: Weaponized Boredom through lack of good fights, and Cheapskating using an exploited, gamed system of "Keep What You Kill".

So the enemy team wants to use cheap stuff... Who cares right? Well, when the only thing holding them back from attacking your district is the clones to actually assault it than what's to stop them from starting a War of Attrition on you and just burning you out of both ISK and patience? Instead of asking "Why would they use BPOs", ask "Why -WOULDN'T- they use BPOs?"

They can assault you with riskless/lossless BPO's/APEX's as long as they have clones and if you attack them they'll just use all the ISK they've saved up from kicking your hind quarters to field the best gear. If they look like they're losing? They'll just default back to the BPO, give you a run for your money at no cost to them, and then you have more territory than you can feasible defend and they just repeat the process until they get their districts back - but now with a bank of ISK they generated from kicking you while you're down.

Give it time. Once people start realizing that there's no other way to make ISK in PC and PC is fundamentally worthless otherwise until -MAYBE- a tentative June/July release (according to the roadmap Trello) they're just going to default to the easiest option available: BPO's, Attrition, Boredom, and Bull****.

Again, I've seen a lot of justification for why a person would -want- to use them but absolutely no justification as to why they should be in PC for any reason other than exploiting a gamed system.