DUST Search - Why do AVers still believe in 1v1 against tanks.

True Adamance wrote:

JARREL THOMAS wrote:

J0LLY R0G3R wrote:

You bloody shoot at me or even aim that turret my way. Don't think I"m going to just run off and hide.
If I don't kill you, I'm at least going to hold you up from just patrolling the map before ya dip into the redline.

Don't you dare characterize me as a redline tanker I would shoot you down before that happens.

What's wrong with using the Redline to access other parts of the map>

For example on say Line Harvest you attack A point in the caldera and support your team by firing down onto the point while covering infantry as they hack the CRU. Enemy AV shows up firing from D.

You pull back and loop around the map using your redline to get ammunition and reappear on the opposite hill tops overlooking C and B. Why bother rolling through the middle of the map letting everyone know where you are when digression is the better part of valour?

I agree spending your entire time in the redline is rather shall we say.....lame...and attempting to snipe out of it to get kills is worse but it's a terrain tool like everything else that can be used to help you move around to different lanes of attack.


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Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 59	Posted - 2015.04.12 23:12:00 - [1] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I mean before maybe because they costed less, but I mean now... no. Your at most like 150k suit killing a 1.3 million tank? No. You should require teamwork to kill a tank. And please don't tell me "We get killed so much trying to kill it." I get killed by vehicles and infrantry too... while hacking an objective, being a logi (not a heavy slaver I might add), ect. There's no excuse for you to even be solo killing an adv tank. But of course that's my opinion and I'm open for someone to prove me wrong. I wonder why people still think price matters, if I can take out a proto player with a 0-10k isk suit (o isk for full bpo) and the proto costs 40-300k+ isk then why is it that if I have the skill that I cant do the same for tanks? are they meant to be unbeatable powerhouses that takes more then a single player to take out see what I thought of a tank was the heavy of the av world and heavies still go down if they don't have proper backup when a single proto tank with no support can keep half a team occupied for most if not all the game then there is a problem, sure the team could ignore the tank with no viable way to take it out if they don't have the proper av or coordination but that leaves the tank to do whatever it pleases which can be game changing if a skilled proto av user cant take out a skilled proto tanker then where is the balance or am I to believe that the rich get a free pass to dominate whenever they please? maybe I'm missing the point but I do believe that tanks shouldn't be so hard to defeat at proto without proper support as a matter of fact I believe that if a tanker is dumb enough to let me get close that even basic re's or proxies should take them out one should not have to rely on cheap tactics like jihad lav's to take tanks out, leave those tactics to scrubs disclaimer: all aforementioned information is fully based on personal experience and opinions therefore should not be taken as a troll attempt or as a nerf or buff attempt
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 59	Posted - 2015.04.12 23:18:00 - [2] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Tank can 2 shot my Python I can fire my whole reserve of XT missile launchers into a proto tank and it will not die. Even the double hardener fit seems to outrep my pathetic fire rate when the hardeners are down! GG because that's fair. Meanwhile tank continued to lol at my equally sp intensive vehicle which requires more skill to pilot then proceeds to 2 shot me from 200m in the redline. GG because that's fair. As for solo av on ground, just throw lai dais and remotes on a road tankers seem to nag on about sl's requiring no skill when tanks are almost on the same skill req, I mean point and click with an occasional scroll wheel to activate a mod, I mean that isn't necessarily skill intensive as for flying in an ADS that takes into account a lot more factors then driving around in a tank, not to mention that hitting just about anything is deadly plus av can knock you about and make you crash even if it doesn't kill you right away
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 59	Posted - 2015.04.13 00:05:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: You bloody shoot at me or even aim that turret my way. Don't think I"m going to just run off and hide. If I don't kill you, I'm at least going to hold you up from just patrolling the map before ya dip into the redline. Don't you dare characterize me as a redline tanker I would shoot you down before that happens. What's wrong with using the Redline to access other parts of the map> For example on say Line Harvest you attack A point in the caldera and support your team by firing down onto the point while covering infantry as they hack the CRU. Enemy AV shows up firing from D. You pull back and loop around the map using your redline to get ammunition and reappear on the opposite hill tops overlooking C and B. Why bother rolling through the middle of the map letting everyone know where you are when digression is the better part of valour? I agree spending your entire time in the redline is rather shall we say.....lame...and attempting to snipe out of it to get kills is worse but it's a terrain tool like everything else that can be used to help you move around to different lanes of attack. the fact that most supply depots are inaccessible to tanks other then the ones at the redline and sometimes not even those are accessible encourages redlining
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 60	Posted - 2015.04.13 02:36:00 - [4] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I get the feeling like some think ISK should be an integral part of the balance equation.... Well, we can't all be cool and intelligent. Any reason it shouldn't be? I would love the logic and reasoning to why 5 dollars is worth 1 dollar. Because that's what you're arguing to be irrelevant. Or are you too stupid to see the reasoning to why ISK is a balancing equation? because expensive things are usually for show, and if you are using a shiny tank that cost an amount that you are gonna cry over after someone makes it go boom my shiny rockets/plasma balls/kinetic slugs, that are made to take you out should do what their descriptions say they do for example "powered by a Gemini microprocessor the forge gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems" the point being if you are a good tanker you can deal with all these threats and not have to be babied about so you can survive a match don't use the price as an excuse if you can't afford to use it don't use it if it takes a forge gun enough time to recharge that you can easily use to take cover from then I need to be able to take you out quick before you take cover, swarms take time to lock on, time you can use to evade and even if you get locked on you can take cover and not even take damage if you are dumb enough to be caught out in the open without support then you should get what you deserve in a real world war do you see tanks going in alone with one guy driving and expect them to live?