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Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.12 22:40:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:I mean before maybe because they costed less, but I mean now... no. Your at most like 150k suit killing a 1.3 million tank? No. You should require teamwork to kill a tank. And please don't tell me "We get killed so much trying to kill it." I get killed by vehicles and infrantry too... while hacking an objective, being a logi (not a heavy slaver I might add), ect. There's no excuse for you to even be solo killing an adv tank.
But of course that's my opinion and I'm open for someone to prove me wrong.
I am okay if someone is able to solo me if they were apparently an epic-av guy with appropriate skills and equipment. I would feel insulted and cheated if it was mindlessly simple to solo a full PRO tank, but I giggle when an epic AV guy is able to successfully jump on the top of my tank and jam Lai Dais and Kubos through the roof. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.12 22:45:00 -
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Zepod wrote:If 2x = 1y, there's no actual reason to use x in any scenario with a remote amount of importance.
But only X can take points and X has tactical flexibility that Y does not have available. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 01:01:00 -
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If you can't kill a basic tank, you are doing it wrong. Just saying. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 01:02:00 -
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Also, people tend to forget if you take on a tank v. tank, you CAN and SHOULD have AV riding with you. Have them hop out and down the super repper Madrugar while you pound them with rail/missile.
Also TEAMWORK will take down ANY tank!!! |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 01:04:00 -
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Also, hardeners are MEANT to provide durability for extended engagements but they are not permanent. If he runs BOTH, then he WILL have to back off when they go down. If he runs ONE, then you can down him EASILY with focused AV fire. If he is PROTO he is supposed to be hard to kill!
My god, the dumbasses are taking over and they want nothing more than to make tanks of ALL tiers easy-mode to kill. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 02:15:00 -
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Not all tanks are uniform.
That makes the whole = it takes a take to kill a tank = argument FALSE.
Even a sica can threaten and suppress a tank.
In any case, teamwork and effort will down a tank regardless, and if not that
you will SUPPRESS the tank and keep him out of the fight.
ISK is a part of it, anyways. You want us to die often, drop the cost of the tank.
You CANNOT expect us to lose 1.4 million tanks regularly in PUBs.
You ask why we don't use lower grades?
BECAUSE AV can sweep ADV and lower tanks like paper.
Anyways, this has been an issue, and mostly the AV win.
They get buffed, we get EHP nerfs. Anyways. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 02:15:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I think a solo AVer should be able to kill an HAV if the pilot of said HAV is a total moron. If they know what they're doing however, it should take 2-3 AVers to deal with said HAV.
And that happens to be what I notice regularly kills good tanks. 2-3 proto, organized AV, usually camping his retreat paths. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 02:16:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I've stayed out of the tanks discussions because I know how different the opinions of a 'tank' are.
To me, it's another role, it's like putting on a suit, but it's bigger, faster, and a bigger gun. And it comes with a leave your **** button so you can run out be and semi-useful as something else of your choosing.
That's a one person role - and it shouldn't take a group efforts in suits that disable them for helping in any other fashion on the battlefield. It's not like dealing with heavies - what kills a heavy will kill everything else.
What kills tanks - won't. So it makes no sense to balance them around the heavy concept.
Even though a solo AV'r will have trouble killing a solid Proto fit tank, he WILL be able to suppress and provide Area Denial, even for a bit. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 02:18:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:That forces your side to use tanks to counter tanks, That's what we want, and I don't see any problem with it. I see a huge problem with it. For every move is a counter, you shouldn't need to spam what they spam to keep up. Spkr, go away. Your blind. But I don't believe that is true , SoTa, explain. It's a tactical shooter. If you spam equipment - I use flux. If you use shield - I use Amarr You go tanks - I go AV it shouldn't be you go tanks so do I. It shouldn't be you go AR so I have to too. it shouldn't be you used a DS so now I have to too to deal with you. That is not how this game is balanced. For every decision you make to make yourself more powerful an equalally effect counter-measure exists if someone sets themselves up properly. Copying that suit and fit to keep up is absurd.
Not all tanks are the same.
Not all answers to the tank are the same.
Just saying. Tanks have a HUGE variety to them and if you can't bring powerful enough AV, try a tank. Or maybe MAYBE have a squad of people who can ALSO switch AV and roll with them. The best squads I run into do that well. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2015.04.13 02:19:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Not all tanks are uniform.
That makes the whole = it takes a take to kill a tank = argument FALSE.
Even a sica can threaten and suppress a tank.
In any case, teamwork and effort will down a tank regardless, and if not that
you will SUPPRESS the tank and keep him out of the fight.
ISK is a part of it, anyways. You want us to die often, drop the cost of the tank.
You CANNOT expect us to lose 1.4 million tanks regularly in PUBs.
You ask why we don't use lower grades?
BECAUSE AV can sweep ADV and lower tanks like paper.
Anyways, this has been an issue, and mostly the AV win.
They get buffed, we get EHP nerfs. Anyways. Mary, this is simply not true. A sica is no match against a tank more powerful, will get completely stomped, and then the team will be in trouble for it. I don't care about pubs when I speak - I speak of PC matches where tankers are legit. This kind of balancing is absurd.
2 hardener, damage mod Sica is a cheap way to aggress tanks. You can lose 10 of them before you even match the loss of one Proto tank. Cheap and effective. |
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