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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.04.12 23:41:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:I think the Passive HP is just fine. Just need to adjust your tactics to attack us, just as we do when we notice certain AV set-ups. Passive regen is fine, but not as a primary means of regen. I'm fine with low amounts of constant HP regeneration, but Armor Repairers are problematic, particularly the Heavy ones. Not really. The problem with having High repair is either - Sacrifice health or Sacrifice hardener BOTH are vulnerable to fast, high alpha weaponry. Assault Forge Gun would be one. Proto-level AV nade spam. Remote/Proxis Jihad Jeep. Many, many options. Don't use SLOW damage on a repper, armor tank, such as swarms, unless you are in group.
It's very simple. dual hardened, dual repped madrugars drop a IAFG into negative damage inflicted after shot 4. I.E. a constant firing IAFG will never break a madrugar past 80% armor, and weakspot hits won't kill a madrugar before reload. The math renders it physically impossible.
Two IAFGs still cannot output enough damage to kill a current madrugar in 8 shots and it will be above 70% armor (roughly) before they finish reloading.
There is no "learning to attack passive rep tanks" under the current method. It is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for a solo AV gunner to kill an HAV under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE without abusive mechanics. or doing incredibly stupid sh*t that requires the HAV driver to be goddamn moron.
I do not exaggerate.
The only HAV drivers who die let shots hit their weakspot more than once with hardeners down.
The current madrugar meta is impossible for another player to beat without three to one odds without abusing triple AV nades, and myofibril stacking shenanigans, or a JLAV loaded with ten REs.
Don't start feeding anyone that sh*t about how madrugars are fine. They are the opposite of "fine."
And the gunnlogis shouldn't have been nerfed on fittings. It was unnecessary.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.04.13 07:52:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Vehicles should be powerful, sure, but to me it seems like you want to be able to basically ignore infantry completely.
this has been the core argument made by every post spkr, Takahiro and sedillo have made to date.
It is mathematically impossible for an IAFG to break a double-hahardened, double rep tank.
Even if you nerf the hardeners to 30% shot 9 with an IAFG lands 50% of armor damage to reload. 7 seconds of reload,charge and refire delay means an HAV reps 1340 damage. More than enough to bring it to full armor.
An IAFG has a lifespan of roughly 63 seconds of constant fire on a tank. If it engages with hardeners for 30 seconds and retreats to cover in the last 10 it cannot be killed with an IAFG. The forge gunner wastes 50% of his ammo trying.
2 IAFG can make an HAV think about his options while they are reloading.
Every time someone mentions AV and balance with HAVs the impression I get is that the three aforementioned posters start thinking "Damn them crops sure are getting uppity about harvest day."
The whole tank v tank honor duel is a myth. The whole idea that you're just there to fight other tanks is a lie.
How do I know this?
Because if it was true you'd recall the HAVs as soon as it was evident the enemy wasn't fielding any in response.
What I see is an asston of madrugars rushing into hotspots, blazing away with impunity with dispersion mods, farming infantry, and rushing away before the cooldown on the hardeners hits.
With impunity.
This isn't balance.
Stacking multiple Passive reps doesn't break madrugar balance.
The ability to stack two hardeners doesn't break madrugar balance.
The ability to do both does
The only ways to balance both so there are more options to fight madrugars than other madrugars is a nerf to the hardeners by 10%, OR to cut passive reps in HALF, OR make heavy armor reps active-only.
In all three of these scenarios armor plates become superior options with single hardener single rep unless you are specifically setting up a skirmish build for hit and run.
And revert the shield fitting nerfs.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.04.13 10:06:00 -
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And once again, spkr contributes no evidence, no meaningful input. Merely anecdote and how he thinks it should work.
Because he doesn't need experience.
Rather than contributing meaningfully to the cause of making HAV play fun and meaningful fir all, his message has been that it's unfair if any infantry can kill a tank ever. He's flat out said this in the past and I know where those archives are kept.
and yet claims it should be possible to kill an HAV with AV while claiming that the pre-buff minimum engagement time of 22 or more seconds ( this really was the minimum) was unfair.
and when presented with evidence to the contrary he has NEVER acknowledged anything but his own ridiculous statements that have nothing to back them.
But I will acknowledge one thing spkr. Youve had a good run. It's going to take someone truly magical to beat your troling of the forums. Everyone else buys it but you are the single-most successful troll in DUST history.
12/10.
The bar has been set. Let's see if anyone else can match this feat.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.04.13 15:13:00 -
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Swarms have the highest AV DPS even when accounting for sustained reload time DPS.
The swarm DPS against shields actually runs higher than the plasma cannon.
It exceeds IAFG DPS by just shy of 100% more than the next fastest weapon.
If a swarm can't solo rip a madrugar with that DPS then an IAFG can't.
This whole thread is an advocacy for HAVs being the best class to play in game.
If the situation stays as is we might as well rebrand the game "WoT future wars: Now with helpless victims included."
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.04.13 16:53:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
what the actual problem is in-game.
the players.
More specifically and hilariously. very few people hate HAVs.
Just about everyone hates the drivers though. I wonder why.
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