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Bla La
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:52:00 -
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I downloaded dust off of psn tried it out and quit. Well now i am back almost a year and a half later and it turns out i left the passive sp on and i have 18 mil sp,i am looking for guidance here on what should i spec into, when i left i think proto logis were the way to go but what is good now. Can anybody give me some advice on what to spec into so i do not waste sp. Sorry if this is in the wrong section, i dont come on these forums much before. |
VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:59:00 -
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Don't spec into Cal Logis, they suck now.
You go and make a second character (don't delete your first character, which is obvious, i'm just making sure though), try out all the starter fits to sit what fits your fancy. Get some I$K and buy Militia suits and weapons. Try out everything before you skill into anything. When you do skill, skill into cores first. Go to the Rookie Training Grounds, or just click this. It is all of Fox's wonderful guides. The dude is possibly one of the best teachers/mentors/senseis in the game.
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:47:00 -
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Assaults are all you need
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:53:00 -
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I've noticed a lot of past players coming back recently... 
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Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
I'm a monster
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:56:00 -
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Gallente Assault
Tac/Burst ar
all dmg mods
Destroys everything....
I know you wan't it ( -í° -£-û -í°)
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:05:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Gallente Assault
Tac/Burst ar
all dmg mods
Destroys everything....
^
My 'Quafe' Assault A-1 is made of a Sulfur-Tungsten-Silver-Gallium Alloy
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:09:00 -
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Minmatar Assault is pretty good right now but I heard it's getting a Nerf.
I would spec into melee/jump mods (myofibrils) just to have some fun with the game.
The weapon is up to you. I personally still like my Assault combat rifle, but the Assault Scrambler is pretty good now too.
Shotuns and sprint mods work well too, or pretty much any heavy suit if you don't mind being called a scrub.
7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:31:00 -
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Amarr scout is most op as **** since 1.7 patch but ccp dindu nuffin to fix tis horrendous problem even after 500 forum pages of complain. |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:38:00 -
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The current suit that has the best popular to power ratio is probably the Minmatar Assault. It is fast as hell, has more stamina than the Energizer bunny, has a quite useful bonus, and the fits you can use on it are really quite good. It is far and away the most powerful Assault but that might change.
With the new Respec, it isn't as big of a deal if you screw up your SP if you are willing to spend cash.
The new SP cap is now 750,000 SP a week Active so you are looking potentially getting 918k a week. This gives you some leeway if you are truly interested in the game.
What were the reasons you quit before? If it was feeling weak, 18 million SP will help. If it was something other than just feeling hopeless as a new player, I can tell you that issue is probably still in the game.
18 million is enough to potentially go Prototype 1-3 roles but it will go very quickly if you spend it willy nilly. I heavily suggest getting the essential skills first before looking too much into roles. Engineering, Electronics, Armor Upgrades, Shield Upgrades, and Dropsuit Core Upgrades should be put to 5 immediately. Those are all passive skills that grant more fitting power or more base EHP meaning that providing you are not in a vehicle, they will help you. That's 4,974,720 SP. There is also Shield Extension (let's you use Shield Extenders) and Armor Plates. Those probably are best at level 5 regardless of racial choice so that's another 1,865,520. Depending if you are Armor or Shield based, you will want to max either Armor Repair or Shield Recharging + Shield Regulation. That's another 932,760 or 1,865,520. In truth, you probably want them both maxed but let's keep it at that.
Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades is Sprint Speed, Duration, and Stamina recharge so that is probably another to max: 932,760. The more controversial ones not are Profile, Precision, and Range on your radar. The bonuses are far less helpful on certain roles than others but, hey, they are passive so I say they are worth getting even if they are not helpful all the time. That's 2,798,280 SP. Not super important but still worth it.
That's 4,974,720 essential + 1,865,520 fairly essential + 2,798,280 at the most + 932,760 that you would want anyway + 2,798,280 in the end necessary but small potatoes. 13,369,560. That's not counting dropsuit, a weapon, grenades, or equipment. That's leaves you with 5,000,000. 2,760,960 is what you need to get a Prototype suit. Weapons are cheap to get to Prototype, 621,840 but the real price is in getting the Proficiency up to perfect levels 1,554,600.
So SP goes fast really. You are going to skip the biggest grind for the most important skills where you are running around in basic suits trying to eek out a slightly better survival set up but you are not going to just jump into being a superman. I heavily suggest getting the first 4 essential things maxed. That's 10,571,280 SP. From there, determine what you want to be. Use some of the SP to look into different roles, getting them no higher than basic to start. The 10.6 million SP you will want to spend no matter what but choosing 'the wrong' weapon or suit can really burn you.
Depending on the role you want to do, here is how I would list their useability and power:
Assault: Minmatar > Amarr > Gallente = Caldari. Minmatar was listed above already so I won't go into it. Amarr gets a really good bonus to a really good weapon. Gallente's bonus along with Caldari's is kind of ass but the suit is fine. Caldari is in the rear with a bad bonus and the fact that Shields are generally worse than Armor currently.
Logistics: Minmatar > Amarr = Gallente > Caldari. Minmatar gets a great bonus, get 3 or 4 Equipment slots, and have a nice fitting lay out. It is hard to go wrong with it. Amarr gets a bonus to make the equipment that lets teammates spawn faster and useable more times; it is potentially the most powerful bonus given that the Spawn time can get to be about 3 or 4 seconds. However, they only get 2 or 3 Equipment slots, which is why I fell Minmatar is better. Amarr is the only Logistics to have a sidearm. Gallente get a worse bonus, making Scanners better, but get 3 or 4 Equipment slots. Caldari get the worse bonus and 2 or 3 Equipment slots, making them the worst.
Scout: Caldari = Gallente > Minmatar > Amarr. Caldari is able to be nearly invisible without lowering their defenses too much. Gallente can be impossible to find, period, but lower their defenses to do it. Both are great, comes down to "would you rather get a B on a test without trying or get an A+ by busting your ass?" Minmatar are fastest, get a bonus to hacking that lets them grab a location under the enemy's nose in about 3 seconds, and their bonus to Nova Knife means they can potentially one shot any suit that is not super tanked out. Amarr is like a light Assault suit. It isn't bad but I just feel that the Minmatar is only slightly ahead of it.
Commando: Minmatar by miles > Caldari = Amarr > Gallente. Minmatar gets the biggest benefits, bonuses to several different weapons including AV. If you go Commando, there is simply no reason to not be Minmatar as you would be choosing something so inferior otherwise. Caldari are the best snipers. Amarr gets bonuses to really useful weapons. Gallente gets bonuses to weapons that generally all close range; Sentinels do the close range fat guy better.
Sentinel: Amarr > Gallente > Minmatar > Caldari. Amarr gets the highest EHP, Gallente gets slightly better bonuses, Minmatar are fastest, Caldari are really bad. That's about it.
Depending what role you go in, you would also need to spend additional SP. Logistics needs Equipment (which are all pretty much crap unless Prototype other than Nanohives which are fine at Advanced), Sentinel needs Heavy Weapons, Commando needs two Light Weapons, and most may want to look into having an acceptable sidearm. I suggest trying before you skill too heavily into things.
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Bla La
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:43:00 -
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Thank you for the explanation Joseph, i appreciate you calculating stuff and laying it out for me. |
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.04.12 06:20:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Golden Day wrote:Gallente Assault
Tac/Burst ar
all dmg mods
Destroys everything.... ^
Tac AR is the best. I suck at the Burst.
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
Closed Beta Vet
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Seed Dren
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 06:59:00 -
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Wait what respec? |
7th Son 7
BLITZKRIEG7
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:13:00 -
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Bla La wrote:I downloaded dust off of psn tried it out and quit. Well now i am back almost a year and a half later and it turns out i left the passive sp on and i have 18 mil sp,i am looking for guidance here on what should i spec into, when i left i think proto logis were the way to go but what is good now. Can anybody give me some advice on what to spec into so i do not waste sp. Sorry if this is in the wrong section, i dont come on these forums much before.
Looks like you got some great responses here, bump Joseph!. Yeah to me it's really important to know my play style, so experiment with a variety of cheap suits and weopons and see what works well for you :), in other words make sure it suits how you play. Do you prefer fast/light armor or slow/heavy armor. Play with Malitia stuff, it will give you an idea. Also make sure you get those core skills up! If you need a little ISK to get your upgrades started send me an in game mail tomorrow, I'll help you out. After all it's not every day you're sitting on 18 mil SP 
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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Ludwig Van AssWhoopin
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:17:00 -
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Never spec into something because it's currently OP. Next patch, glitch, or update may change that ar any given time. CCP has a record of being bipolar.
What's your gaming style? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:46:00 -
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Seed Dren wrote:Wait what respec?
It's been implemented a while ago already. Look up the market window under services.
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Bla La
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 14:53:00 -
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Ludwig Van AssWhoopin wrote:Never spec into something because it's currently OP. Next patch, glitch, or update may change that ar any given time. CCP has a record of being bipolar.
What's your gaming style?
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Radiant Pancake3
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.04.12 14:58:00 -
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Bla La wrote:I downloaded dust off of psn tried it out and quit. Well now i am back almost a year and a half later and it turns out i left the passive sp on and i have 18 mil sp,i am looking for guidance here on what should i spec into, when i left i think proto logis were the way to go but what is good now. Can anybody give me some advice on what to spec into so i do not waste sp. Sorry if this is in the wrong section, i dont come on these forums much before.
Well Logi's are the WP whores... So if you want lot's of WarPoints I suggest that... Or if you want you could spec into a heavy suit.... A "Good" Keyword "Good" Proto logi could keep you healed and rep... Depending... Those are the two roles i'm intrested in... I'm more logi than heavy by far. Anyway that's the puncake's option.
I am the Clown of Ass!
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.12 15:01:00 -
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Bla La wrote:I downloaded dust off of psn tried it out and quit. Well now i am back almost a year and a half later and it turns out i left the passive sp on and i have 18 mil sp,i am looking for guidance here on what should i spec into, when i left i think proto logis were the way to go but what is good now. Can anybody give me some advice on what to spec into so i do not waste sp. Sorry if this is in the wrong section, i dont come on these forums much before.
Don't worry about Proto as much.... All that is mostly forum hype and bullshit.
Worry about what you enjoy first... Try out all the militia weapon variants.. Try out all the militia race suits...
See what you like... Maybe it's a Heavy with a Heavy machine gun...
Maybe it's a cloaked scout with knives..
Maybe it's a Medic and you prefer to use everything but a gun?
It really depends on what you enjoy... The more you enjoy it the more you will play it and practice makes perfect.
Lastly... Like my first statement said.. Proto only means so much.. You will get near similar results with Advanced suits and weapons at significantly less ISK(Money) risk...
You will be better planning out maxing out your core skills, Engineering, Electronics, Biotics, Shields, Armor, Passive scans, Fitting skills, Grenades.. Etc.
Then once those are maxed then worry about investing 2-4m SP into proto suit...
Proto weapons are easy to get in relative terms... But they cost crazy fitting requirements and usually are 55-78k ISK each... Which is more then a majority of players entire suit cost for pubs. |
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