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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.04.07 21:49:00 -
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I honestly just don't get it. I worked my ass of early in this game and still remember the first time I finally had enough SP to skill into my caldari proto suit. The first time I jumped into battle, Finally getting the kit I had planned out weeks before.
Why do I not get to enjoy the suit I worked so hard for?
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 21:59:00 -
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The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:11:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same.
I'm by no means an amazing player but I run proto all the time and have never played a single game of PC.
I do this by saving my ISK and playing smart no matter the battle. I have 15 mil isk at any one time.
if the team is losing I don't follow them into battle because clearly their tactics suck, I switch to scout and hack/pick engagement carefully, that or I snipe.
If the enemy are mopping your team up go do your own thing. Allways ensure you have a positive score by the end of the match
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Kierkegaard Soren
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:18:00 -
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My issue with Proto is never, ever with the player. You have earned, just as I have earned, the right to run that suit however you see fit. New Eden is not a universe that allows arbitary limits to be set on ones! Personal choices either. But, when all is said and done, we are all here to play games to have fun, and proto stomping is not fun for anyone. Teamwork. Is squad play is the potent catalyst that focuses the inherent superiority of the proto fit and the skill bonuses that power them into an unstoppable force. Nothing but other proto teams can counter them. Well, tanks maybe. But maybe not. Point being, grunts with less than 20mil of carefully spent SP are getting steam rollered day in, day out, and it's bad for the game and bad for the player base and I believe Dust can be better than this.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:28:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same.
Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa.
So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:28:00 -
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Kierkegaard Soren wrote:My issue with Proto is never, ever with the player. You have earned, just as I have earned, the right to run that suit however you see fit. New Eden is not a universe that allows arbitary limits to be set on ones! Personal choices either. But, when all is said and done, we are all here to play games to have fun, and proto stomping is not fun for anyone. Teamwork, in the form of squad play, is the potent catalyst that focuses the inherent superiority of the proto fit and the skill bonuses that power them into an unstoppable force. Nothing but other proto teams can counter them. Well, tanks maybe. But maybe not. Point being, grunts with less than 20mil of carefully spent SP are getting steam rollered day in, day out, and it's bad for the game and bad for the player base and I believe Dust can be better than this.
I would say then that the matchmaking is the issue and not really that players are running proto suits, we need to match proto teams against each other in combat. I just wish people would stop posting day in day out to ban or remove or limit proto suits to their own game modes.
If they actually removed proto suits players would then be complaining about being stomed by teams running only advanced. its ridiculous, proto stomping is not a real thing. its just organised teams
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PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:38:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:
I would say then that the matchmaking is the issue and not really that players are running proto suits, we need to match proto teams against each other in combat. I just wish people would stop posting day in day out to ban or remove or limit proto suits to their own game modes.
If they actually removed proto suits players would then be complaining about being stomed by teams running only advanced. its ridiculous, proto stomping is not a real thing. its just organised teams
I disagree. Proto stomping is a real thing. An organized team with advanced gear would be beaten by an organized team in proto gear. Its the reason that you don't see PC corps run advanced gear loadouts.
On a more holistic level, Proto stomping is exacerbated because passive ISK has destroyed the one balancing factor of proto gear. Before PC began, and before ISK was worthless, there was no proto stomping in the way that we have it now. Sure, some corps like PFBHz had the funds to run proto as often as they liked, but we were part of the minority, not the majority.
Proto gear, particularly proto heavies at one point, were just so expensive that you could not justify their use except in competitive battle. It also meant that, through skill, a player with worse gear could put enough financial pressure on an opponent to force them to downgrade their gear and even the playing field between them. This had the effect of allowing teams to limit how rampant proto gear was in a given battle.
Nowadays, fighting against Proto is like a new corp fighting against an established one. No matter how well you do in lesser gear, even if skill is even between two groups, you don't have much hope at all in forcing proto teams to switch gear due to financial pressure. So, for any two groups that are evenly matched, the team running the best gear will always win. That may be logically sensible, but it is not fun. I think most players like the idea of the underdog story - where they stick at it in sub-par gear (compared to their opponents), and force their opponents to bleed enough ISK to do something different.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:39:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa. So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto.
When I was in RND, they did not run Proto 24/7. Many ran ADV or STD.
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:44:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa. So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto.
Go away this doesn't even matter.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:46:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa. So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto. When I was in RND, they did not run Proto 24/7. Many ran ADV or STD. #R3KT.
But all these people running proto are because of PC passive isk.
RND was getting passive ISK for months(year), that would mean they have ISK to run proto all the time. If the reasoning for proto running is passive isk.
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Ahkhomi Cypher
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:51:00 -
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I agree with Cypher.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:58:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:But all these people running proto are because of PC passive isk.
RND was getting passive ISK for months(year), that would mean they have ISK to run proto all the time. If the reasoning for proto running is passive isk.
You're suggesting that passive ISK is the reason why people are able to run Proto 24/7? I don't believe that. If you need an example, just look at me. I've only seriously joined the PC crowd a month or so ago. Despite my character not even being a year old, I have hundreds of millions of ISK, which I accumulated almost solely from pubs. I can run Proto until the servers die, yet I benefited in no way from passive ISK. This just shows that passive ISK from PC is not responsible for people running Proto 24/7.
Just look at RND too. Even though they benefited from passive ISK, many of their members do not run Proto 24/7.
PC passive ISK is not responsible for Proto-stomping, or people running Proto 24/7.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:02:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa. So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto. Go away this doesn't even matter.
Thank you, its allways nice to see people keeping a thread on topic
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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:10:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:But all these people running proto are because of PC passive isk.
RND was getting passive ISK for months(year), that would mean they have ISK to run proto all the time. If the reasoning for proto running is passive isk. You're suggesting that passive ISK is the reason why people are able to run Proto 24/7? I don't believe that. If you need an example, just look at me. I've only seriously joined the PC crowd a month or so ago. Despite my character not even being a year old, I have hundreds of millions of ISK, which I accumulated almost solely from pubs. I can run Proto until the servers die, yet I benefited in no way from passive ISK. This just shows that passive ISK from PC is not responsible for people running Proto 24/7. Just look at RND too. Even though they benefited from passive ISK, many of their members do not run Proto 24/7. PC passive ISK is not responsible for Proto-stomping, or people running Proto 24/7.
I'm suggesting that others are suggesting that passive isk is the cause of protostomping. like the guy i first quoted.
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:45:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa. So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto.
In what possible way does my corp membership change the reality of the situation?
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Denchlad 7
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:54:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:But all these people running proto are because of PC passive isk.
RND was getting passive ISK for months(year), that would mean they have ISK to run proto all the time. If the reasoning for proto running is passive isk. You're suggesting that passive ISK is the reason why people are able to run Proto 24/7? I don't believe that. If you need an example, just look at me. I've only seriously joined the PC crowd a month or so ago. Despite my character not even being a year old, I have hundreds of millions of ISK, which I accumulated almost solely from pubs. I can run Proto until the servers die, yet I benefited in no way from passive ISK. This just shows that passive ISK from PC is not responsible for people running Proto 24/7. Just look at RND too. Even though they benefited from passive ISK, many of their members do not run Proto 24/7. PC passive ISK is not responsible for Proto-stomping, or people running Proto 24/7.
He's stating that the corps mentioned (FA, OH, NS, and RND) can and could run Proto 24/7. Its not the only way possible, most of my isk comes from scamming fools as well as PCs. Its just notable that the corps who were in PC when the farming was at its peak are the ones who typically proto spam the most today, albeit of course it isn't the only way as you and I have said.
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
431
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:00:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:But all these people running proto are because of PC passive isk.
RND was getting passive ISK for months(year), that would mean they have ISK to run proto all the time. If the reasoning for proto running is passive isk. You're suggesting that passive ISK is the reason why people are able to run Proto 24/7? I don't believe that. If you need an example, just look at me. I've only seriously joined the PC crowd a month or so ago. Despite my character not even being a year old, I have hundreds of millions of ISK, which I accumulated almost solely from pubs. I can run Proto until the servers die, yet I benefited in no way from passive ISK. This just shows that passive ISK from PC is not responsible for people running Proto 24/7. Just look at RND too. Even though they benefited from passive ISK, many of their members do not run Proto 24/7. PC passive ISK is not responsible for Proto-stomping, or people running Proto 24/7.
Now you are part of the permanent proto too. Can I have ISK :)
But how? Everyone is like, run ambush, gets lots of ISK! Then you go into battle with a proto suit, confident you have the ISK to afford it. Then everyone else runs proto and you're dead. They can keep on running it, but you cannot
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:23:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:
Now you are part of the permanent proto too. Can I have ISK :)
But how? Everyone is like, run ambush, gets lots of ISK! Then you go into battle with a proto suit, confident you have the ISK to afford it. Then everyone else runs proto and you're dead. They can keep on running it, but you cannot
That's not how it works at all.
good players play well and allways make sure they are getting positive ISK for their investment each game.
They go into a match, use 2-3 proto fits, win or lose they still end with positive ISK. sure you have the few exceptions where they lose a little but you make it up in another match later.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
708
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:28:00 -
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The beauty is you DO get to enjoy it!
Although whiners are at an all time high, you can still slap on that proto and have fun! You see, lucky for me and you that's something CCP will never change, because it's an incentive for people to buy Aurum and buy suits with money.
So basically they can either put up, shut up, or ship their sh*t talk to the forums ~(._.~)
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:41:00 -
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I've been stomping in STD gear 90% of the time for months now, making a killing in ISK. Organized squad play > randoms in PRO. That being said, with the new matchmaking, I'm finding myself running more ADV or PRO just to make up for the fact that it has been putting us in 6v16 games, or 12 v 16 but my team seems to be full of academy rejects...
Just because you have the gear, doesn't mean you know how to use it to its full potential.
Just the thoughts of one of the players in the mentioned corps by OP.
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WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:51:00 -
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itz ehhggkspensive....
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.04.08 01:52:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:I honestly just don't get it. I worked my ass of early in this game and still remember the first time I finally had enough SP to skill into my caldari proto suit. The first time I jumped into battle, Finally getting the kit I had planned out weeks before.
Why do I not get to enjoy the suit I worked so hard for?
We'll see how matchmaking works out. Running proto against those able to run proto is fine, running proto against 5 million SP players is not.
Because, that's why.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3689
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Posted - 2015.04.08 02:16:00 -
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Enjoy proto -- you earned it, so use it....as much as you want. You won't hear a peep from me, but you might hear my ARR. :) |
Regnier Feros
Pielords
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Posted - 2015.04.08 02:35:00 -
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Photon > Proto
Just sayin
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
2601
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Posted - 2015.04.08 02:48:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Forced Death wrote:
Now you are part of the permanent proto too. Can I have ISK :)
But how? Everyone is like, run ambush, gets lots of ISK! Then you go into battle with a proto suit, confident you have the ISK to afford it. Then everyone else runs proto and you're dead. They can keep on running it, but you cannot
That's not how it works at all. good players play well and allways make sure they are getting positive ISK for their investment each game. They go into a match, use 2-3 proto fits, win or lose they still end with positive ISK. sure you have the few exceptions where they lose a little but you make it up in another match later.
I ran STD for about 5 months when I started, and made a killing. I also got 80M from this.
Before the new matchmaking, I was making a profit running Proto.
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
316
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Posted - 2015.04.08 03:01:00 -
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Proto make me angry...
...angry make me proto.
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
435
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Posted - 2015.04.08 03:12:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Forced Death wrote:
Now you are part of the permanent proto too. Can I have ISK :)
But how? Everyone is like, run ambush, gets lots of ISK! Then you go into battle with a proto suit, confident you have the ISK to afford it. Then everyone else runs proto and you're dead. They can keep on running it, but you cannot
That's not how it works at all. good players play well and allways make sure they are getting positive ISK for their investment each game. They go into a match, use 2-3 proto fits, win or lose they still end with positive ISK. sure you have the few exceptions where they lose a little but you make it up in another match later. I ran STD for about 5 months when I started, and made a killing. I also got 80M from this. Before the new matchmaking, I was making a profit running Proto.
I run STD a lot too. I don't play every day tho, so I have 18m ISK...
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Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.08 03:16:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Forced Death wrote:
Now you are part of the permanent proto too. Can I have ISK :)
But how? Everyone is like, run ambush, gets lots of ISK! Then you go into battle with a proto suit, confident you have the ISK to afford it. Then everyone else runs proto and you're dead. They can keep on running it, but you cannot
That's not how it works at all. good players play well and allways make sure they are getting positive ISK for their investment each game. They go into a match, use 2-3 proto fits, win or lose they still end with positive ISK. sure you have the few exceptions where they lose a little but you make it up in another match later. I ran STD for about 5 months when I started, and made a killing. I also got 80M from this. Before the new matchmaking, I was making a profit running Proto. I run STD a lot too. I don't play every day tho, so I have 18m ISK...
Must try this. BACK TO LASER RIFLING!
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.04.08 04:55:00 -
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I think it has nothing to do with Prototype. People just see Prototype in Squads and assign their hatred on that. Some even go with "It is certain groups with billions of isk from PC!" when a lot of times that ISK is not handed out to all players. Saying "Oh, X corp uses proto because they got in on that PC money!" only assumes that X corp is a communistic collective and everyone got a share of those billions rather than a few people getting it.
Prototype is not that difficult to run. I have 75 million because I snagged some from a friend who hasn't played in a year but he had over 330 million. With all his character, he probably has a billion ISK. He got it from playing. He ran basic and just played all the damn time. When the market refund happened, his 250+ dropships that came in groups of 5 sold for big bucks. He has never done PC.
For me, I got to 40 million using basic suits. It was only like 6 months ago that I realized "what the hell is the point of having all this money if I am not going to use it?" so I started running Prototype. In two months I went from 40 million to fluctuating between 38-43 million. ISK stable. I used Prototype suits with Prototype modules, but not Prototype weapons as it is the least efficient. My suits were around 90-110k rather than the 150k+ that people were using. I played safe, smart, and solo.
People that are in Squads with needles and performing at the top of the board don't need PC ISK or charity in order to do it. If they get 300k a match and only lose 1 suit, they are making over 100k a match. 100 matches, that's 10 million isk. 200 matches a month, 20 million a month. Over 200 million a year. If people can be ISK positive with 40 million in the bank (I was able to easily), I am guessing 200 million would be trivial.
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Cypher Nil
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The Infected One wrote:I've been stomping in STD gear 90% of the time for months now, making a killing in ISK. Organized squad play > randoms in PRO. That being said, with the new matchmaking, I'm finding myself running more ADV or PRO just to make up for the fact that it has been putting us in 6v16 games, or 12 v 16 but my team seems to be full of academy rejects...
Just because you have the gear, doesn't mean you know how to use it to its full potential.
Just the thoughts of one of the players in the mentioned corps by OP.
I didn't mention any corps?? I've played a few games with randomer's in squads but your right in saying organised play is stronger then randoms in proto, I'm the only one currently active in my small little corp but when were all ingame we rek the battlefield
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:42:00 -
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NINEinch WEAPON wrote:itz ehhggkspensive....
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Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:55:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. I'm by no means an amazing player but I run proto all the time and have never played a single game of PC. I do this by saving my ISK and playing smart no matter the battle. I have 15 mil isk at any one time. if the team is losing I don't follow them into battle because clearly their tactics suck, I switch to scout and hack/pick engagement carefully, that or I snipe. If the enemy are mopping your team up go do your own thing. Allways ensure you have a positive score by the end of the match
same here man, was in a npc corp running proto for two years, and this is how you do it. also raising your cores and squading helps too, but no one really wants to state that. there's other things too, such as switching game modes, but hell, like raising cores and squading why should anyone be inconvenienced?? |
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Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:57:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with proto, at least as seen by those complaining (validly, I believe) is that certain groups, like FA, NS, OH and others can run proto all the time because of their massive stores of ISK, while the majority cannot afford to do this because they weren't able to cash in on the insane passive ISK fest that was PC. Thus, even if they have the skills necessary to run proto, they can't fight the protostompers because they just don't have the money to do so.
Tiericide-ing dropsuits to behave in the manner of echo-tanks would help a lot of issues since basic fits would gain more power while proto fits would remain the same. Says the guy in the corp who was around for passive isk longer than Fa. So tell me does everyone in your corp run full time proto. When I was in RND, they did not run Proto 24/7. Many ran ADV or STD. #R3KT.
True, i think that i am one of the few RND that runs proto 24/7 and its cause i dont even have STD/ADV fittings lol
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