DUST Search - Dust and Legion, Link the games

Cypher Nil wrote:

Mad Syringe wrote:

Legion is dead, so no reason to link anything.

If Dust ever moves to a new platform, it will probably be an evolutionary step away from Dust.
So based on it and it's mechanics, but with better graphics and hopefully more meaningful gamemodes.

If that means, that you have to make the step to the new platform at a certain point, then I'm fine with that. Though I must say, that I'm pretty biased towards which platform it will run on. PC is just not my cup of tea, though I would make the stretch for other games, Dust is a more casual game for me, and for that I much prefer the console (PS4) over a PC.

Having both games connected at that point (be it on PC or PS4, will probably take away quite a bit of resources, just to get things connected. This is not worth it, so I'd rather have them doing a cut at a certain point, leaving Dust on PS3 for as long as it's feasable (player count) and when most people have moved to the new platform, just shutting PS3 support down and focus on the new platform.

If legion was dead CCP would have announced it. The question here is how to keep the community happy when we reach the point where we have to pick between PC and PS4.

Theirs no resources needed, its just two different games reading the same database data. it would take less then a month to set it up. I see that it doesn't make a difference to you over where the platform moves (It doesn't effect me ether, i'd be happy to see it on PC) to but for 50% of the community it does. is this a solution to THAT problem

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Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 185	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:34:00 - [1] - Quote I just realised today there literally no reason why we can't appease the entire player base by linking these games. If were going to be able to transfer our SP and character info from dust to legion as the dev's propose why not simply have both games share the same information so your playing the same EvE character between the two games. This way dust can continue as its own game, legion can be released on PC, dust can eventually make it to PS4 and the entire playerbase can be happy with whatever platform they want to play on. SP, equipment, fittings, everything standard your character collects from one game is shared between the two. unique items on dust cannot be used in legion and vice versa however. If both games share the same scalability when it comes to rewards per time spend playing nether game gives a player a larger advantage in the other. The main differences between the two games would be game play features and game modes. dust would have a focus as a first person shooter and legion would allow our dust player to explore new eden in a more detailed and connected way. does this seem mad or does it actually solve a lot of issues? n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3255	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:37:00 - [2] - Quote legion isnt currently being worked on, the staff have been sequestered to other projects for the time being. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Squagga The State Protectorate 429	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:42:00 - [3] - Quote From what I got out of it, DUST is a console game. The idea was that DUST would end and LEGION would be the future of DUST. This didn't over so hot with the DUST community ... which in the all seeing eyes of CCP is who would play LEGION, with some EVE players. So more or less the project was scrapped. Which what they should do is make DUST/LEGION for PS4 and figure out the cross console/PC bs later. Just sayin Reloading, the silent killer.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 185	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:42:00 - [4] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: legion isnt currently being worked on, the staff have been sequestered to other projects for the time being. Where did you read that? The last I heard the dev team working on dust are also working on legion, but aside from that do you find the idea useful or a waste of time? this seems to solve the entire problem for what platform this game should move too in the near future (next year or two) n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 754	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:45:00 - [5] - Quote Legion is dead, so no reason to link anything. If Dust ever moves to a new platform, it will probably be an evolutionary step away from Dust. So based on it and it's mechanics, but with better graphics and hopefully more meaningful gamemodes. If that means, that you have to make the step to the new platform at a certain point, then I'm fine with that. Though I must say, that I'm pretty biased towards which platform it will run on. PC is just not my cup of tea, though I would make the stretch for other games, Dust is a more casual game for me, and for that I much prefer the console (PS4) over a PC. Having both games connected at that point (be it on PC or PS4, will probably take away quite a bit of resources, just to get things connected. This is not worth it, so I'd rather have them doing a cut at a certain point, leaving Dust on PS3 for as long as it's feasable (player count) and when most people have moved to the new platform, just shutting PS3 support down and focus on the new platform.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3255	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:47:00 - [6] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: legion isnt currently being worked on, the staff have been sequestered to other projects for the time being. Where did you read that? The last I heard the dev team working on dust are also working on legion, but aside from that do you find the idea useful or a waste of time? this seems to solve the entire problem for what platform this game should move too in the near future (next year or two) read the staff roster then do some math, there isnt currently anyone available for legion. AI programmer, all graphics/level design people were moved to valkry, plus some regular coders. QA guy is only part time on dust CCP moves people from project to project all the time as part of standard operations. also the official word on legion is that there is nothing to report, wich suggests that there really is nothing at all to report becuase its on hold. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 185	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:47:00 - [7] - Quote Squagga wrote: From what I got out of it, DUST is a console game. The idea was that DUST would end and LEGION would be the future of DUST. This didn't over so hot with the DUST community ... which in the all seeing eyes of CCP is who would play LEGION, with some EVE players. So more or less the project was scrapped. Which what they should do is make DUST/LEGION for PS4 and figure out the cross console/PC bs later. Just sayin The main reason for this change would be that the console platform is holding dust back from having a real link to new eden and the EvE playerbase. their is no argument their, this game has failed to live up to what the trailer portrayed the game as. so it needs to move to PC, BUT ccp can't just up and leave the player base on console behind, and I agree with that too. Legion hasn't been scrapped as far as I can see, CCP don't have a solution for this problem, PC or PS4, get the game features the game needs in or keep the console community happy. so their putting off the having to make that decision for the future. because there is no clear solution. I'm asking if linking the games IS that solution. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 185	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:52:00 - [8] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Legion is dead, so no reason to link anything. If Dust ever moves to a new platform, it will probably be an evolutionary step away from Dust. So based on it and it's mechanics, but with better graphics and hopefully more meaningful gamemodes. If that means, that you have to make the step to the new platform at a certain point, then I'm fine with that. Though I must say, that I'm pretty biased towards which platform it will run on. PC is just not my cup of tea, though I would make the stretch for other games, Dust is a more casual game for me, and for that I much prefer the console (PS4) over a PC. Having both games connected at that point (be it on PC or PS4, will probably take away quite a bit of resources, just to get things connected. This is not worth it, so I'd rather have them doing a cut at a certain point, leaving Dust on PS3 for as long as it's feasable (player count) and when most people have moved to the new platform, just shutting PS3 support down and focus on the new platform. If legion was dead CCP would have announced it. The question here is how to keep the community happy when we reach the point where we have to pick between PC and PS4. Theirs no resources needed, its just two different games reading the same database data. it would take less then a month to set it up. I see that it doesn't make a difference to you over where the platform moves (It doesn't effect me ether, i'd be happy to see it on PC) to but for 50% of the community it does. is this a solution to THAT problem n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 185	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:53:00 - [9] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: legion isnt currently being worked on, the staff have been sequestered to other projects for the time being. Where did you read that? The last I heard the dev team working on dust are also working on legion, but aside from that do you find the idea useful or a waste of time? this seems to solve the entire problem for what platform this game should move too in the near future (next year or two) read the staff roster then do some math, there isnt currently anyone available for legion. AI programmer, all graphics/level design people were moved to valkry, plus some regular coders. QA guy is only part time on dust CCP moves people from project to project all the time as part of standard operations. also the official word on legion is that there is nothing to report, wich suggests that there really is nothing at all to report becuase its on hold. Your making an assumption, I'm going on the last statement issued by CCP n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3255	Posted - 2015.04.03 09:57:00 - [10] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: legion isnt currently being worked on, the staff have been sequestered to other projects for the time being. Where did you read that? The last I heard the dev team working on dust are also working on legion, but aside from that do you find the idea useful or a waste of time? this seems to solve the entire problem for what platform this game should move too in the near future (next year or two) read the staff roster then do some math, there isnt currently anyone available for legion. AI programmer, all graphics/level design people were moved to valkry, plus some regular coders. QA guy is only part time on dust CCP moves people from project to project all the time as part of standard operations. also the official word on legion is that there is nothing to report, wich suggests that there really is nothing at all to report becuase its on hold. Your making an assumption, I'm going on the last statement issued by CCP the last statement issued was "there is nothing to report" lol aka no progress Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost

Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 755	Posted - 2015.04.03 10:13:00 - [11] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Legion is dead, so no reason to link anything. If Dust ever moves to a new platform, it will probably be an evolutionary step away from Dust. So based on it and it's mechanics, but with better graphics and hopefully more meaningful gamemodes. If that means, that you have to make the step to the new platform at a certain point, then I'm fine with that. Though I must say, that I'm pretty biased towards which platform it will run on. PC is just not my cup of tea, though I would make the stretch for other games, Dust is a more casual game for me, and for that I much prefer the console (PS4) over a PC. Having both games connected at that point (be it on PC or PS4, will probably take away quite a bit of resources, just to get things connected. This is not worth it, so I'd rather have them doing a cut at a certain point, leaving Dust on PS3 for as long as it's feasable (player count) and when most people have moved to the new platform, just shutting PS3 support down and focus on the new platform. If legion was dead CCP would have announced it. The question here is how to keep the community happy when we reach the point where we have to pick between PC and PS4. Theirs no resources needed, its just two different games reading the same database data. it would take less then a month to set it up. I see that it doesn't make a difference to you over where the platform moves (It doesn't effect me ether, i'd be happy to see it on PC) to but for 50% of the community it does. is this a solution to THAT problem I don't think it would be that easy. They will introduce new stuff to the game on a new platform. They probably will even alter the mechanics a bit. Having a character in both games just doesn't make sense. I'd rather have them focus on making a great new game based on what we can squeeze out of Dust, than trying to please everybody and just ducttape two games together. If the games are basically identical (Dust and it's successor) except for maybe some new gamemodes. Than it would be possible to link the two for the old gamemodes. But if that gives the devs any headaches, or increases the time they need to develop a good new version of Dust, then I'd prefer they keep them seperate, and just move characters one way from Dust to the new version...
Squagga The State Protectorate 429	Posted - 2015.04.03 10:17:00 - [12] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Legion is dead, so no reason to link anything. If Dust ever moves to a new platform, it will probably be an evolutionary step away from Dust. So based on it and it's mechanics, but with better graphics and hopefully more meaningful gamemodes. If that means, that you have to make the step to the new platform at a certain point, then I'm fine with that. Though I must say, that I'm pretty biased towards which platform it will run on. PC is just not my cup of tea, though I would make the stretch for other games, Dust is a more casual game for me, and for that I much prefer the console (PS4) over a PC. Having both games connected at that point (be it on PC or PS4, will probably take away quite a bit of resources, just to get things connected. This is not worth it, so I'd rather have them doing a cut at a certain point, leaving Dust on PS3 for as long as it's feasable (player count) and when most people have moved to the new platform, just shutting PS3 support down and focus on the new platform. Not only is this a console game, if it gets ported to PC, they'll lose the console players that they already have. Gonna guess the EVE nerds aren't very good at FPS. If they were, they'd be playing FPS. I do kind of agree that, this being a free to play game, maybe not all the players will be able to just run out and get a PS4. However the PS3 only have two years max of life left. If this game is to survive a move to PS4 is inevatable and simply the best corse of action, for the game Reloading, the silent killer.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 755	Posted - 2015.04.03 10:23:00 - [13] - Quote agree 100%
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1133	Posted - 2015.04.03 10:37:00 - [14] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: I just realised today there literally no reason why we can't appease the entire player base by linking these games. If were going to be able to transfer our SP and character info from dust to legion as the dev's propose why not simply have both games share the same information so your playing the same EvE character between the two games. This way dust can continue as its own game, legion can be released on PC, dust can eventually make it to PS4 and the entire playerbase can be happy with whatever platform they want to play on. SP, equipment, fittings, everything standard your character collects from one game is shared between the two. unique items on dust cannot be used in legion and vice versa however. If both games share the same scalability when it comes to rewards per time spend playing nether game gives a player a larger advantage in the other. The main differences between the two games would be game play features and game modes. dust would have a focus as a first person shooter and legion would allow our dust player to explore new eden in a more detailed and connected way. does this seem mad or does it actually solve a lot of issues? Like WoD my friend..vapourware "Sebiestor Hetzer"
Vyzion Eyri WarRavens 2741	Posted - 2015.04.03 10:37:00 - [15] - Quote Squagga wrote: Gonna guess the EVE nerds aren't very good at FPS. If they were, they'd be playing FPS. Someone can be good at something but prefer to do other things, but okay then. Anyway, I always did wonder whether we could get commanders in war barges and MCCs. Commander dropsuits were discussed for DUST at one point, for people to sit in MCC and direct ground troops. What if Legion was re-imagined and became that RTS that slowly conquered planets, for EVE players to play. EVE capsuleers hire us in Legion to do contracts to gain bonuses for their systems or planets, we take these capsuleer contracts because they're more lucrative. I mean, it won't be a full game but that's probably as good as we can get between the actual thing and empty promises for years. I don't think there should be a replacement for DUST; Legion can be supplementary to it. > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 8895	Posted - 2015.04.03 12:11:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: The last statement issued was "there is nothing to report" lol aka no progress This is just another assumption on your part. "Nothing to report" =/= "No work has been done" CCP's last EP made many promises that could not be implemented for a variety of reasons. That put a pretty bad taste in player's mouths. CCP Rouge does not want to provide us with updates because this community tends to interpret news as ironclad promises written in stone. He won't give us new information until he has something concrete. That's the impression that the CPM1 members have been giving us. Look at some of Kevall's posts. Since they talk to CCP on a nigh hourly basis I'm going to take their word over yours. 4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 481	Posted - 2015.04.03 12:14:00 - [17] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: I just realised today there literally no reason why we can't appease the entire player base by linking these games. If were going to be able to transfer our SP and character info from dust to legion as the dev's propose why not simply have both games share the same information so your playing the same EvE character between the two games. This way dust can continue as its own game, legion can be released on PC, dust can eventually make it to PS4 and the entire playerbase can be happy with whatever platform they want to play on. SP, equipment, fittings, everything standard your character collects from one game is shared between the two. unique items on dust cannot be used in legion and vice versa however. If both games share the same scalability when it comes to rewards per time spend playing nether game gives a player a larger advantage in the other. The main differences between the two games would be game play features and game modes. dust would have a focus as a first person shooter and legion would allow our dust player to explore new eden in a more detailed and connected way. does this seem mad or does it actually solve a lot of issues? Legion doesn't exist. They wasted our money on it, if it ever really existed. The best they can do is try and fix the game they broke, which is currently Dust *\|LOGi GOD\|* Director of Fatal Absolution
Ronin Merc Defenders of the Helghast Dream The Ditanian Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.04.03 14:51:00 - [18] - Quote I would buy a ps4 for legion. Won't upgrade my PC for it though. Been with PlayStation since 97. Been playing PC games since the doom and wofenstein 3D days. Still prefer console gaming over PC gaming.
VALCORE72 Dead Man's Game RUST415 258	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:06:00 - [19] - Quote unless it moves to ps4 im not playing it . ill be done if it goes to pc and alot of ppl will too asian haters united lol .
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 6387	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:16:00 - [20] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: I just realised today there literally no reason why we can't appease the entire player base by linking these games. If were going to be able to transfer our SP and character info from dust to legion as the dev's propose why not simply have both games share the same information so your playing the same EvE character between the two games. This way dust can continue as its own game, legion can be released on PC, dust can eventually make it to PS4 and the entire playerbase can be happy with whatever platform they want to play on. SP, equipment, fittings, everything standard your character collects from one game is shared between the two. unique items on dust cannot be used in legion and vice versa however. If both games share the same scalability when it comes to rewards per time spend playing nether game gives a player a larger advantage in the other. The main differences between the two games would be game play features and game modes. dust would have a focus as a first person shooter and legion would allow our dust player to explore new eden in a more detailed and connected way. does this seem mad or does it actually solve a lot of issues? lol, yes, appease us by shoving the other game in our faces further. Not only is it not on the platformed promised to us - but we can play with the guys who do get all our stuff so we can look at them in awe and wonder. plz no lol n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9042	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:28:00 - [21] - Quote The biggest reason I don't like it is because if you tie Legion to Dust, then you confine Legion to some of the limitations of Dust, and perhaps transfer some of its flaws. If they are going to do Legion right, it needs to be rooted in what Dust has done right, but be free to change the things that it screwed up. They can't do that if they need to keep the characters interchangeable. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 18:01:00 - [22] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: legion isnt currently being worked on, the staff have been sequestered to other projects for the time being. Where did you read that? The last I heard the dev team working on dust are also working on legion, but aside from that do you find the idea useful or a waste of time? this seems to solve the entire problem for what platform this game should move too in the near future (next year or two) read the staff roster then do some math, there isnt currently anyone available for legion. AI programmer, all graphics/level design people were moved to valkry, plus some regular coders. QA guy is only part time on dust CCP moves people from project to project all the time as part of standard operations. also the official word on legion is that there is nothing to report, wich suggests that there really is nothing at all to report becuase its on hold. Your making an assumption, I'm going on the last statement issued by CCP the last statement issued was "there is nothing to report" lol aka no progress Because nothing changed, ie their still split between developing for legion and dust. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 18:05:00 - [23] - Quote Squagga wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Legion is dead, so no reason to link anything. If Dust ever moves to a new platform, it will probably be an evolutionary step away from Dust. So based on it and it's mechanics, but with better graphics and hopefully more meaningful gamemodes. If that means, that you have to make the step to the new platform at a certain point, then I'm fine with that. Though I must say, that I'm pretty biased towards which platform it will run on. PC is just not my cup of tea, though I would make the stretch for other games, Dust is a more casual game for me, and for that I much prefer the console (PS4) over a PC. Having both games connected at that point (be it on PC or PS4, will probably take away quite a bit of resources, just to get things connected. This is not worth it, so I'd rather have them doing a cut at a certain point, leaving Dust on PS3 for as long as it's feasable (player count) and when most people have moved to the new platform, just shutting PS3 support down and focus on the new platform. Not only is this a console game, if it gets ported to PC, they'll lose the console players that they already have. Gonna guess the EVE nerds aren't very good at FPS. If they were, they'd be playing FPS. I do kind of agree that, this being a free to play game, maybe not all the players will be able to just run out and get a PS4. However the PS3 only have two years max of life left. If this game is to survive a move to PS4 is inevatable and simply the best corse of action, for the game Dude I completely get where your coming from and agree but this game is never going to have the features we all want if it stays stuck to console. another benefit of having a free to play FPS on PC means it is open up to millions of new players. the game would actually have a population. that aside I also see that leaving the console player base behind is also a bad call, The idea is the best of both worlds and keep everyone happy no? n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +23 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?


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