DUST Search - Bad tank mechanics

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Tebu Gan wrote:

Ignore the first two "tankers" that commented.

Yes, because our opinions don't matter. I've been in tanks for a year and a half, Taka has been in tanks since before Replication.

Likely what you ran into is a double hardened, double repped fit. Unless you can pump out the DPS to down it in like 5 seconds, you aren't going to down it. Meaning with just your main weapon alone, it won't die. Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed.

Yet again, someone saying the answer is to nerf tanks. When are people going to get passed that and actually use teamwork all the time to down a tank? Do you really expect to solo someone that's been in PC in tanks? Best option you have is to set up a proxy mine trap, but that's too hard.

But in the meantime, perhaps a bit of advice. I personally don't use a swarm launcher, but I imagine it would work as well.

It works far too well for its ease of use.

What I have been doing is carrying proxies (remotes work well, just require some manual activation) laying down a trap to provide that initial burst damage.

Oh wow, you actually use your brain sometimes.

Tanks can be limited in movement,

Can be limited? Of course they're limited, they weigh 100 tons.

and flat areas (which a road provides) allow for the maximum movement potential, and a guide for when they have to back out. Watch the tank and note it's movement in and out of an objective, more than likely they will continue to use that same path.

Predictable people, yeah.

Once your trap is down, try to pull them in with hope of an easy kill. Positioning an LAV around a corner provides good bait, or just wait for them to move in. Generally though, I stick close to those proxies. Once that initial burst goes off, AV nades, generally the ones with best range, until you can throw no more and fire your weapon.

Yeah, YOLO homing AV grenades are so hard to use.

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Text Grant PIanet Express Smart Deploy 398	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:52:00 - [1] - Quote Point of view Minmatar commando m1 series Approximately 800 hp 2 complex damage mods on wiki swarms Not only can this fit not kill any basic armor tank, but the pilot either: 1 runs away, and I get + 75 (reasonable) 2 feathers the trigger and mows me down behind my cover 3 activates 2 hardeners, drives up to me, then mows me down or hops out and does it Things that need to happen to fix this 1 large blasters should get instant dispersion on the first shot 2 if a pilot leaves their seat, all active modules, and passive reps deactivate, to reactivate on cooldownwhen the pilot returns 3 acceleration nerf. Driving around in the open should be as much of a death trap to tanks as it is to infantry.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4423	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:12:00 - [2] - Quote 1. It already doesn't shoot straight as it is, if it gets any worse i will miss a HAV at 50m 2. My gunner will jump out and mow you down instead of me 3. So you want it to be slow so you can fire 6 volleys instead of 3 with perfect LOS? Also why do shoot at it when hardeners are up? I can't shoot through cover unlike your SL which can go around several corners and still hit me CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3152	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Point of view Minmatar commando m1 series Approximately 800 hp 2 complex damage mods on wiki swarms Not only can this fit not kill any basic armor tank, but the pilot either: 1 runs away, and I get + 75 (reasonable) 2 feathers the trigger and mows me down behind my cover 3 activates 2 hardeners, drives up to me, then mows me down or hops out and does it Things that need to happen to fix this 1 large blasters should get instant dispersion on the first shot 2 if a pilot leaves their seat, all active modules, and passive reps deactivate, to reactivate on cooldownwhen the pilot returns 3 acceleration nerf. Driving around in the open should be as much of a death trap to tanks as it is to infantry. You're probably doing it solo, which is wrong. You're probably doing it out in the open, which is wrong. So because you yourself are bad at AV, the blaster should get nerfed, simply because you're bad and the person in the tank can aim? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 964	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:30:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Also why do shoot at it when hardeners are up? Maybe because the armour hardener lasts so long, if you don't fire at it while they're up, you don't get to fire at it?
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1327	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:55:00 - [5] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Point of view Minmatar commando m1 series Approximately 800 hp 2 complex damage mods on wiki swarms Not only can this fit not kill any basic armor tank, but the pilot either: 1 runs away, and I get + 75 (reasonable) 2 feathers the trigger and mows me down behind my cover 3 activates 2 hardeners, drives up to me, then mows me down or hops out and does it Things that need to happen to fix this 1 large blasters should get instant dispersion on the first shot 2 if a pilot leaves their seat, all active modules, and passive reps deactivate, to reactivate on cooldownwhen the pilot returns 3 acceleration nerf. Driving around in the open should be as much of a death trap to tanks as it is to infantry. Ignore the first two "tankers" that commented. Likely what you ran into is a double hardened, double repped fit. Unless you can pump out the DPS to down it in like 5 seconds, you aren't going to down it. Meaning with just your main weapon alone, it won't die. Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. But in the meantime, perhaps a bit of advice. I personally don't use a swarm launcher, but I imagine it would work as well. What I have been doing is carrying proxies (remotes work well, just require some manual activation) laying down a trap to provide that initial burst damage. As far as proxies go, predicting a tanks movement is fairly simple. Lay them down across a road, entrance to a city, ect. Tanks can be limited in movement, and flat areas (which a road provides) allow for the maximum movement potential, and a guide for when they have to back out. Watch the tank and note it's movement in and out of an objective, more than likely they will continue to use that same path. Once your trap is down, try to pull them in with hope of an easy kill. Positioning an LAV around a corner provides good bait, or just wait for them to move in. Generally though, I stick close to those proxies. Once that initial burst goes off, AV nades, generally the ones with best range, until you can throw no more and fire your weapon. If they don't go down, I assure you they will be limping away in fear of their life. Use all that's available to you, need a lot of burst damage in a VERY short time frame to kill them, at least until they work out a fix for this. Happy hunting Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1327	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:58:00 - [6] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Also why do shoot at it when hardeners are up? Maybe because the armour hardener lasts so long, if you don't fire at it while they're up, you don't get to fire at it? Best to ignore those two. And how they struggle making kills with a blaster now, I cannot understand. I kill people nearly at max range (150M), bursting my shots out. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 125	Posted - 2015.03.31 18:31:00 - [7] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. A 1.2 Million ISK tank is OP vs 140,000 Isk dropsuite mimando ? ROLF... -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1327	Posted - 2015.03.31 19:05:00 - [8] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. A 1.2 Million ISK tank is OP vs 140,000 Isk dropsuite mimando ? ROLF... Actually, this statement is incorrect. A 250k to 300k standard tank, fit with enhanced mods, reppers at the very least, is immune to proto AV weapons and gear, with hardeners up. It doesn't take a pro tank to double rep and double harden. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1607	Posted - 2015.03.31 20:11:00 - [9] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. A 1.2 Million ISK tank is OP vs 140,000 Isk dropsuite mimando ? ROLF... Yes. Price and Power are two different things. Besides, it does not take 1.2 million ISK to make a fit with double hardeners and reps. Because, that's why.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5650	Posted - 2015.03.31 20:32:00 - [10] - Quote The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17892	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:02:00 - [11] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Aidualc wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. A 1.2 Million ISK tank is OP vs 140,000 Isk dropsuite mimando ? ROLF... Yes. Price and Power are two different things. Besides, it does not take 1.2 million ISK to make a fit with double hardeners and reps. Price is usually a player determined measure of power. Powerful and meta specific ships cost more to make use of. It would be great if Dust did this as well. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1327	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:11:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. No doubt active need to back a come back, but no reason we can't have passive! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 488	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: 3 acceleration nerf. Driving around in the open should be as much of a death trap to tanks as it is to infantry. Unlike LAVs I'm yet to get a tank down a corridor Seriously though the whole point is tanks have to be in the open to operate and therefore need the health to deal with being visible most of the time ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3155	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:19:00 - [14] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Besides, it does not take 1.2 million ISK to make a fit with double hardeners and reps. The only BPO suits that have much survivability against PRO ISK suits are the scouts, because they have REs. Throw an explosive frisbee and voila, dead PRO suit. All the same it takes a 1.2mil ISK tank to survive against the hordes of PRO AV, who unfortunately decide the outcome of a tank battle, because they're cheaper and can take the high ground. It's not fun. I want to battle someone in their tank with my tank, with AV on both sides leaving us alone. That's a real challenge, not two people firing their YOLO PRO swarms at either of us, melting a tank down to its constituent atoms. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3155	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:20:00 - [15] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Also why do shoot at it when hardeners are up? Maybe because the armour hardener lasts so long, if you don't fire at it while they're up, you don't get to fire at it? Best to ignore those two. And how they struggle making kills with a blaster now, I cannot understand. I kill people nearly at max range (150M), bursting my shots out. If you say so. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3155	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Ignore the first two "tankers" that commented. Yes, because our opinions don't matter. I've been in tanks for a year and a half, Taka has been in tanks since before Replication. Likely what you ran into is a double hardened, double repped fit. Unless you can pump out the DPS to down it in like 5 seconds, you aren't going to down it. Meaning with just your main weapon alone, it won't die. Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. Yet again, someone saying the answer is to nerf tanks. When are people going to get passed that and actually use teamwork all the time to down a tank? Do you really expect to solo someone that's been in PC in tanks? Best option you have is to set up a proxy mine trap, but that's too hard. But in the meantime, perhaps a bit of advice. I personally don't use a swarm launcher, but I imagine it would work as well. It works far too well for its ease of use. What I have been doing is carrying proxies (remotes work well, just require some manual activation) laying down a trap to provide that initial burst damage. Oh wow, you actually use your brain sometimes. Tanks can be limited in movement, Can be limited? Of course they're limited, they weigh 100 tons. and flat areas (which a road provides) allow for the maximum movement potential, and a guide for when they have to back out. Watch the tank and note it's movement in and out of an objective, more than likely they will continue to use that same path. Predictable people, yeah. Once your trap is down, try to pull them in with hope of an easy kill. Positioning an LAV around a corner provides good bait, or just wait for them to move in. Generally though, I stick close to those proxies. Once that initial burst goes off, AV nades, generally the ones with best range, until you can throw no more and fire your weapon. Yeah, YOLO homing AV grenades are so hard to use. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17894	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:27:00 - [17] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. No doubt active need to back a come back, but no reason we can't have passive! As long as they do not provide such a prolific a per second value I guess they could stay for the sake of personal preference..... not that I really agree with them. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17894	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:27:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Ignore the first two "tankers" that commented. Yes, because our opinions don't matter. I've been in tanks for a year and a half, Taka has been in tanks since before Replication. Likely what you ran into is a double hardened, double repped fit. Unless you can pump out the DPS to down it in like 5 seconds, you aren't going to down it. Meaning with just your main weapon alone, it won't die. Double repped with double hardeners is a bit OP atm and hopefully something that will get fixed. Yet again, someone saying the answer is to nerf tanks. When are people going to get passed that and actually use teamwork all the time to down a tank? Do you really expect to solo someone that's been in PC in tanks? Best option you have is to set up a proxy mine trap, but that's too hard. But in the meantime, perhaps a bit of advice. I personally don't use a swarm launcher, but I imagine it would work as well. It works far too well for its ease of use. What I have been doing is carrying proxies (remotes work well, just require some manual activation) laying down a trap to provide that initial burst damage. Oh wow, you actually use your brain sometimes. Tanks can be limited in movement, Can be limited? Of course they're limited, they weigh 100 tons. and flat areas (which a road provides) allow for the maximum movement potential, and a guide for when they have to back out. Watch the tank and note it's movement in and out of an objective, more than likely they will continue to use that same path. Predictable people, yeah. Once your trap is down, try to pull them in with hope of an easy kill. Positioning an LAV around a corner provides good bait, or just wait for them to move in. Generally though, I stick close to those proxies. Once that initial burst goes off, AV nades, generally the ones with best range, until you can throw no more and fire your weapon. Yeah, YOLO homing AV grenades are so hard to use. Wow I've been in tanks as long if not longer than you Spkr. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5652	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:44:00 - [19] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. No doubt active need to back a come back, but no reason we can't have passive! Feedback I've been seeing seems to lend itself more to the fact that the Heavy Armor Repairers are problematic, but the Light Armor Repairers are not. I would not be terribly opposed to leaving Light Reppers as passive but moving the large ones to be active. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2497	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:02:00 - [20] - Quote Logged in if for no other reason than to say that it is the first two "tankers" in this thread that make me want vehicles to DIAF and be ripped screaming from the Dust514 code. Good job you two, you made me care enough to post again. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5656	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:31:00 - [21] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Logged in if for no other reason than to say that it is the first two "tankers" in this thread that make me want vehicles to DIAF and be ripped screaming from the Dust514 code. Good job you two, you made me care enough to post again. Sadly they will often insist that anyone who doesn't agree with them, doesn't actually use vehicles. I can assure you that while many vehicle pilots can be very Q_Q (Hell that really goes for any group within the game), not all of us are. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17917	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:36:00 - [22] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Logged in if for no other reason than to say that it is the first two "tankers" in this thread that make me want vehicles to DIAF and be ripped screaming from the Dust514 code. Good job you two, you made me care enough to post again. Sadly they will often insist that anyone who doesn't agree with them, doesn't actually use vehicles. I can assure you that while many vehicle pilots can be very Q_Q (Hell that really goes for any group within the game), not all of us are. But Pokey..... Q_Q GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5656	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:39:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Logged in if for no other reason than to say that it is the first two "tankers" in this thread that make me want vehicles to DIAF and be ripped screaming from the Dust514 code. Good job you two, you made me care enough to post again. Sadly they will often insist that anyone who doesn't agree with them, doesn't actually use vehicles. I can assure you that while many vehicle pilots can be very Q_Q (Hell that really goes for any group within the game), not all of us are. But Pokey..... Q_Q Don't worry True, while you are a crazed Amarrian zealot, you're actually quite reasonable if we can get you to stop raging about a lack of Amarrian tanks, you're actually quite reasonable. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Vyzion Eyri WarRavens 2715	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:50:00 - [24] - Quote Bring back vehicle RR modules, I used to repair tanks with my Prometheus, it was glorious fun, too bad swarms just re-directed to me until I blew up because I had to be so low and flying so carefully to follow the tank. Alternatively, buff vehicle repair tools so tank crews can hop out and repair a tank whilst it's under fire, turning killing a tank into a sort of mini-boss fight where infantry have to kill the logistics repairing the tank, and AV need to wait until hardeners are down to finish it off. Lots of fun ways to make tanks more interesting without the usual brain-dead AV is over/underpowered debate, where the result polarises one side of the community against the other unnecessarily. Did I mention my Prometheus again? I dream of her every second lonely night in my quarters. Oh, my beautiful. > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17920	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:57:00 - [25] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Logged in if for no other reason than to say that it is the first two "tankers" in this thread that make me want vehicles to DIAF and be ripped screaming from the Dust514 code. Good job you two, you made me care enough to post again. Sadly they will often insist that anyone who doesn't agree with them, doesn't actually use vehicles. I can assure you that while many vehicle pilots can be very Q_Q (Hell that really goes for any group within the game), not all of us are. But Pokey..... Q_Q Don't worry True, while you are a crazed Amarrian zealot, you're actually quite reasonable if we can get you to stop raging about a lack of Amarrian tanks. NEVER! And I prefer the term "Frothing Zealot" thank you very much. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7774	Posted - 2015.04.01 04:24:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Logged in if for no other reason than to say that it is the first two "tankers" in this thread that make me want vehicles to DIAF and be ripped screaming from the Dust514 code. Good job you two, you made me care enough to post again. DON'T LET THE DARKNESS TOUCH YOU! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!! AV
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 948	Posted - 2015.04.01 05:04:00 - [27] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. There was a recommendation to change the rep "cycle" from hp/s to hp every 3 or 5 seconds but Increading the hp amount per cycle Instead of 60 reps per minute you'd get 12 reps per minute, but the amount repaired per minute would still be the same.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5656	Posted - 2015.04.01 06:42:00 - [28] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. There was a recommendation to change the rep "cycle" from hp/s to hp every 3 or 5 seconds but Increading the hp amount per cycle Instead of 60 reps per minute you'd get 12 reps per minute, but the amount repaired per minute would still be the same. That will help but mostly likely not be enough to fix the issue at hand. But that's more of an in-game testing thing than a calculation thing. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1205	Posted - 2015.04.01 10:33:00 - [29] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. Don't forget to remove them from dropsuits as well. lolhypocrite. DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The dual hardener dual rep fit is very powerful. I'm going to be a broken record and say that passive reps need to die in a fire and we need active reps again. There was a recommendation to change the rep "cycle" from hp/s to hp every 3 or 5 seconds but Increading the hp amount per cycle Instead of 60 reps per minute you'd get 12 reps per minute, but the amount repaired per minute would still be the same. This sounds very reasonable. But what if armor reps had a curve of some sort? Like when they take damage, they do only 50% repair, until x seconds when they return to 100%, like the systems have to start up or something, and then they maintain their 100% rate until no longer needed (x time between last incoming damage) etc. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 970	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:13:00 - [30] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Also why do shoot at it when hardeners are up? Maybe because the armour hardener lasts so long, if you don't fire at it while they're up, you don't get to fire at it? Best to ignore those two. And how they struggle making kills with a blaster now, I cannot understand. I kill people nearly at max range (150M), bursting my shots out. Are we talking about the small blaster or the large blaster, because I can kill with both, just the small blaster is not worth the trouble vs the other small turrets... If large blaster... Then I'd like to see where you got that idea from, most of my posts about the large blaster state that it's the best anti-infantry weapon in the game.



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