I took out my proto swarms against a tank the other day.

One set didn't even do 10% damage against him.

Tell me again how that is OP?

To be fair it's pilots ( those who call themselves such ) most of the time ( read the posts ) who whine . It's a shame because ground vehicles have it so much more harder then air vehicles but I rarely see drivers complaining about swarms .

Most just have a problem with area denial but would love to hover over all killing at their whim .

MY Double Hardened Maddie has been kill by my habit to checking the map more than AV.

I've have about 10 tanks swallowed by the map since I started tanking again, It is to the point where I am afraid to check the map while in my tank.

I drive all the way back to my redline in a corner, hop out and quickly give the map a scan before heading back out.

lets start out and say when should 1 person be able to scare a tank off? that would be really op. but my bullets dont track you around 3 corners and from a range of lock of 150 meters.... and be invisible on top of it. we have to look in all directions for them and we will still flew because we dont want to lose 1 mill. you losing 100k is nothing you can stack 10 of you up for that price

To be fair it's pilots ( those who call themselves such ) most of the time ( read the posts ) who whine . It's a shame because ground vehicles have it so much more harder then air vehicles but I rarely see drivers complaining about swarms .

Most just have a problem with area denial but would love to hover over all killing at their whim .

funny you say that.. cus one person in a tank will scare off 10 guys with no AV.... just sayin'


and don't go tanks cost blah blah as an excuse.. I suit up in a 240k isk logi



oh and around 3 corners.. mannn gtfo of here with your bullshit

Just letting you know, I've tested swarms in my ADS. I flew by a friend that I q-synced against in FW while he had a swarm. He was standing right next to one of those pyramid type building by one of the entrances. I fly by at top speed, he shoots at me as I turn the corner. I go around the ENTIRE building back to him, and the swarms then hit me in the back. There is nothing you can do to dodge them. And that's BS. I'm fine with everything else about swarms besides invisibility and no sound, but this no dodging no matter how skilled you are is complete BS.

I'm calling bullshit still man, I have pro swarms.. they don't ever do that for me.. I sure as hell wish they did, would be a lot less tank when i'm around

My Double Hardened Maddie has been killed by my habit of checking the map more than AV.

I've had about 10 tanks swallowed by the map since I started tanking again, It is to the point where I am afraid to check the map while in my tank.

I drive all the way back to my redline in a corner, hop out and quickly give the map a scan before heading back out.

i've often said that when you're in a vehicle your 'radar' whould zoon out a bit and swarms be visable since they're moving objects. it'd help dropship pilots as well as tankers because it can be hard to tell where incoming missiles are coming from.

as for AV, well its been broken for a long time. personally to get balance we need a couple of thigns. firstly. more shield based AV. when 4 of the 5 AV weapons are armour based you can't truly have balance and the 1 shield based weapon does pretty laughable damage for th eamount of SP needed to hit that damage. secondly, modules should all go back to being active. tankers had to plan their movements and engagements just as us industry did. do you hit all 3 reppers and hardeners and go in for a hard hitting quick skirmish, or did you stagger them for prolonged engagements, now a rep/hardener maddy just sits there hammering infantry with its hardeners while havign a little laugh at the AV bouincing off its hull and then hitting a nitro to get away. perhaps have hardeners act similar to siege modules on dreads in EVE where they restrict your movements while active? that way a tanker has to prepare for hardener to completely shuit down before hitting nitro and running

hell yeh, that would be it right there!!! Siege mode them mofos.. you like having near impenetrable defenses... cool, have fun having that while not being able to flee...


the tears would drown us all quickly though, I don't think the dust tank community can handle that haha

even though dread pilots do it every damn day in Eve.... so I guess if it were to happen, it would just be one of those HTFU and adapt things

lets start out and say when should 1 person be able to scare a tank off? that would be really op. but my bullets dont track you around 3 corners and from a range of lock of 150 meters.... and be invisible on top of it. we have to look in all directions for them and we will still flew because we dont want to lose 1 mill. you losing 100k is nothing you can stack 10 of you up for that price

Nahh, it's simply a fly by will still get you hit... Make that x3 and it's a dead dropship which didn't even engage. Add no renders and it's a recipe for disaster.

Now tell me that's fair. Because we all know that isn't fair. I don't care about who shot who or AV doing it's job. It's simply unjust.

Yep, total denial of playstyle defeats the purpose of a video game. We aren't trying to avoid war as in real life. We are trying to engage and continue to engage for kicks.

If you don't like vehicles killing you then get a myo fib and jump, jump, jump away.

Hardeners are overtuned (particularly armor) and people are running dual hardener fits because plates are hard to fit, reps are extremely hard to fit and tanks are still stupid fast.

If that was all fixed... Av would still be pretty monstrously powerful compared to many vehicles.

But whatever, this is the same go-around where both sides accuse each other of being whiny babies despite who has the upper hand at the moment because everyone hates things that kill them. Anything less than extreme antagonism for people who have fun differently (aka 'badwrongfun') and this wouldn't be an Internet forum where people act like gross caricatures of people aping the actions of malevolent shitflingers who do anything possible to stifle constructive discussion or attempts toward positive reconciliations.

Vehicle skill tree is utterly ****ed compared to infantry - in order to not have to fit CPU/pg chips to vehicles (or even to fit appropriate modules) one needs vehicle 5 and allllllll the fitting optimizations to 5. Then you just need to shell out a million isk per tank and hope no one with packed av grenades and a nanohive gets mad at you for killing one of their adv fits.

If you get killed by AV nades(in a tank) and nothing else hitting you then you suck.