DUST Search - Assault Scrambler Rifle vs Assault Rifle

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

The AScR is in a significantly better place now than it was before, but I believe it was hit by the proud CCP Tradition of Over-Correction. From where it was, it seems to be performing much better...but it'll need toned down in some way shape or form in order to bring it in line with the rifle it is supposed to be mimicking...

either that or the AR needs a bit of a buff to make it better (But NOT BOTH...adjust in only one way at a time...)

but yeah, I got to disagree with you that fitting cost shouldn't be a factor in balancing stats...it just shouldn't play as major of a role as it seems to be right now

Well my point being that fitting cost should encourage things like racial matching and discourage goofy fits that shouldn't exist. However the general cost of fitting weapons, at least things that are in the same category such as Rifles, should be roughly equivalent in terms of general cost. (Obviously PG and CPU will differ between weapons, but overall it shouldn't be significantly harder to fit one rifle over another, as that lends to it being innately better which is bad)

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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5599	Posted - 2015.03.29 01:59:00 - [1] - Quote So....unless I screwed up my calcs, and I kind of hope I did... On Amarr Assault, Assault Scrambler Rifle has: ~8% More Raw DPS ~27% More Range ~20% More Damage before overheat/reload In what situation would I use an Assault Rifle? Even against armor the AR will only do 10% more than the Scrambler, which is offset mostly by the 8% difference in raw DPS. The AR pretty much feels inferior in nearly every way now. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 227	Posted - 2015.03.29 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote The AScR is in a significantly better place now than it was before, but I believe it was hit by the proud CCP Tradition of Over-Correction. From where it was, it seems to be performing much better...but it'll need toned down in some way shape or form in order to bring it in line with the rifle it is supposed to be mimicking... either that or the AR needs a bit of a buff to make it better (But NOT BOTH...adjust in only one way at a time...) but yeah, I got to disagree with you that fitting cost shouldn't be a factor in balancing stats...it just shouldn't play as major of a role as it seems to be right now Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 297	Posted - 2015.03.29 03:00:00 - [3] - Quote MLT AScR is ridiculous....Im scared the second i hear one. I use a Frontline Minnie Suit, but put an AScR (MLT) on it, and **** anything that i go against, other than Amarr and Gallente Sentinels. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5600	Posted - 2015.03.29 03:05:00 - [4] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: The AScR is in a significantly better place now than it was before, but I believe it was hit by the proud CCP Tradition of Over-Correction. From where it was, it seems to be performing much better...but it'll need toned down in some way shape or form in order to bring it in line with the rifle it is supposed to be mimicking... either that or the AR needs a bit of a buff to make it better (But NOT BOTH...adjust in only one way at a time...) but yeah, I got to disagree with you that fitting cost shouldn't be a factor in balancing stats...it just shouldn't play as major of a role as it seems to be right now Well my point being that fitting cost should encourage things like racial matching and discourage goofy fits that shouldn't exist. However the general cost of fitting weapons, at least things that are in the same category such as Rifles, should be roughly equivalent in terms of general cost. (Obviously PG and CPU will differ between weapons, but overall it shouldn't be significantly harder to fit one rifle over another, as that lends to it being innately better which is bad) "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 228	Posted - 2015.03.29 03:11:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: The AScR is in a significantly better place now than it was before, but I believe it was hit by the proud CCP Tradition of Over-Correction. From where it was, it seems to be performing much better...but it'll need toned down in some way shape or form in order to bring it in line with the rifle it is supposed to be mimicking... either that or the AR needs a bit of a buff to make it better (But NOT BOTH...adjust in only one way at a time...) but yeah, I got to disagree with you that fitting cost shouldn't be a factor in balancing stats...it just shouldn't play as major of a role as it seems to be right now Well my point being that fitting cost should encourage things like racial matching and discourage goofy fits that shouldn't exist. However the general cost of fitting weapons, at least things that are in the same category such as Rifles, should be roughly equivalent in terms of general cost. (Obviously PG and CPU will differ between weapons, but overall it shouldn't be significantly harder to fit one rifle over another, as that lends to it being innately better which is bad) I think we can agree there, that all the weapons should be approx just as easy to fit within a category (Example: ADV Rifles) also, what ever happened to that large missile turret thread? Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 484	Posted - 2015.03.29 03:12:00 - [6] - Quote I think the reason it performs poorly is that it doesn't work as well paired with the Amarr Assault, which is too slow for CQC (and the PG cost of the AScR means you can't fit kin cats) The high HP buffer/low repair works well with the standard ScR because you either win the engagement first due to the higher health, or dip in and out of cover with the charge shot ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6082	Posted - 2015.03.29 03:20:00 - [7] - Quote Increase the heat build up per sec. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5601	Posted - 2015.03.29 03:32:00 - [8] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: I think the reason it performs poorly is that it doesn't work as well paired with the Amarr Assault, which is too slow for CQC (and the PG cost of the AScR means you can't fit kin cats) The high HP buffer/low repair works well with the standard ScR because you either win the engagement first due to the higher health, or dip in and out of cover with the charge shot Even if you don't use it on the Amarr Assault, you can still get higher DPS and more range, the only part that differs is you have less damage before the gun overheats. The thing is however, that the AR outputs roughly ~2380 damage before reloading, and the Assault Scrambler (on non-assault) is ~2350 so.....really not enough of a difference to particularly matter. So using differences in how the Assault suits perform is really not enough to justify the fact that the AR is both inferior in DPS and range compared to the AScr "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 485	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:20:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: I think the reason it performs poorly is that it doesn't work as well paired with the Amarr Assault, which is too slow for CQC (and the PG cost of the AScR means you can't fit kin cats) The high HP buffer/low repair works well with the standard ScR because you either win the engagement first due to the higher health, or dip in and out of cover with the charge shot Even if you don't use it on the Amarr Assault, you can still get higher DPS and more range, the only part that differs is you have less damage before the gun overheats. The thing is however, that the AR outputs roughly ~2380 damage before reloading, and the Assault Scrambler (on non-assault) is ~2350 so.....really not enough of a difference to particularly matter. So using differences in how the Assault suits perform is really not enough to justify the fact that the AR is both inferior in DPS and range compared to the AScr I'm not defending the buff, more pointing out why it performed poorly, the Amarr Assault bonus heavily incentivises it's use but it doesn't fit playstyle of the suit ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Protected Void Nos Nothi 397	Posted - 2015.03.29 15:01:00 - [10] - Quote Another thing to consider is that whatever one might read out of statistics isn't automatically the one and only correct interpretation. I've certainly been increasing the average ScR kills per spawn for the past months, even if it's received an ammo nerf. That's not caused by the ScR suddenly becoming easier to use or more effective in combat, it's a direct consequence of me doing two things: Speccing into Amarr scout and realising it fits my playstyle better than my old mainstay the Gallente scout Dropping the now useless range extender I used to run and using an armor repper instead. These two things have allowed me to do far better than previously. And since I've been using the ScR ablot through the whole process, it's also been increasing that weapon's K/S ratio.

Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2856	Posted - 2015.03.29 15:07:00 - [11] - Quote Or just buff AR ROF to 850 for a DPS of ~481. Then the AScR has comparable DPS to the AR while the AScR has more range. This advantage is paid for by the overheat mechanic. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me


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