Infantry support should be in the form of maneuverability. I believe tanks are and have always been way too fast, both top speed and acceleration. A tank should be about staying power, not about hit-and-run. Slow them down, and perhaps buff their hp. This makes it easier to place AV remotes on them, means they struggle to escape AV once it becomes overwhelming, and emphasizes their main role: support of infantry. This also means that they need infantry to protect them from AV, scouts with remotes, and lighter vehicles.

If you want me to sit still and be a wall for infantry to push up then i better get a good old buff in the form of HP because base HP has been nerfed, HP modules have been nerfed, armor repairers and shield booster have been nerfed/don't work.

AV hits hard, AV nades like a mini nuke, swarms which endlessly follow you around corners, JLAV for the terrorist in you and installations with more HP than your HAV.

So in essence, tanks would be analogous to Titans from Eve?

Kinda doesn't mean anything when 6 enemies stop seeing all colors except red, as those 6 take out AV and proceed to throw 10k damage your way every second.

So in essence, tanks would be analogous to Titans from Eve?

tanks obviously wouldnt be ground based titans. think of them more along the lines of battlecruisers / command ships that provide bonuses to others (in the forms of reps, ammo, spawns and cover) but are still vulnerable to groups of frigates (AV infantry) of even just one frigate given enough time and lack of support for the battlecruiser.

I'm seriously thinking land-based titans are a good idea for them. They provide bonuses to the infantry like ammo and reps, and while they have a lot of health, they aren't very maneuverable. So they need infantry nearby in order to protect them from counterattack, because the tank weaponry is too big to effectively target the smaller threats.

This is exactly how titans work in Eve. Big ships that provide logistical support (albeit a different type of logistics) and can take on capitals with their huge weapons, but cannot engage smaller ships and are vulnerable to counterattack without the support of a fleet. This idea can go places.

First off quick story-time.

So recently i was in a match where we had the enemies pushed to an exterior objective, where they were firmly lodged behind cover with decent logi support, and we were assaulting from a pretty much open field with minimal cover. Needless to say we werent making much progress untill a friendly tank showed up, and while the pilot didnt get any kills, he remained stationary and allowed the infantry to use him as cover and his small rails eventually supressed the enemies long enough for us to rush them. Now im relatively certain that the tank and some of the infantry were squadded and this was synchronized, but still. This is something that should be encouraged.

So then i thought for a bit, and i feel like there is currently very little cooperation between infantry and pilots, theres lots of interaction as they shoot each other, but actual cooperation is limited to MCRUs and infantry making opposing AV infantry's lives difficult, both of which are passive (basically 'shoot the reds' or 'equip blueberry dispenser")

I feel like the biggest reason for this is (i stopped reading here because you're blaming CCP from here on for something the players are doing wrong).

some other stuff after that that i'm glad i went back to read

Hi. I speak in wall of texts, but i feel i got far enough to contribute a useful comment...

i noticed you thought of an interesting way to foster infantry/vehicle cooperation, thats great!
this is a sandbox game, so please take the sand you just discovered and build a fantastic castle with it.
you revealed to the most active portion of the forum that you've discovered a way to shake up the meta, this may prove dangerous for you.
use this to your advantage, tell your friends about it, encourage this kind of behavior because it will help to improve vehicles' place in the game and

instead of coming on here to say what the devs should or shouldnt do about it or to encourage/discourage it...
encourage or discourage it yourself! if you do it, people will see your good tactics, and some people will imitate while some people will try to counter it. then maybe people on your team will see the value and come to defend your sqds tank.... it could change up how tanks are used altogether!

it was suggested on trello to add a deployable cover that infantry can stand behind and shoot from. you've discovered that this already exists in-game, good job!

sorry if you had useful things to say after that, but as far as i got, it looked like your post was about to take a turn in the wrong direction. or maybe it was the right direction and you had good points,
but i felt compelled to say something directly regarding your opening salvo


i think bringing back axis rep wp rewards would be great and is long needed by now. rep tool farming has been fixed for like a year now, lets bring back vehicle reps and make the axis viable again!!
also vehicles healing and resupplying infantry?! dangerous territory... i'd like to see this happen, but in something other than tanks. a mobile fortress of some sort. something bigger, slower, stronger, and easier to shoot at... like a mobile fortress of some sorts... a "land titan" as true adamance would argue against, could actually be a great idea...

(i stopped reading here because you're blaming CCP from here on for something the players are doing wrong)

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also vehicles healing and resupplying infantry?! dangerous territory... i'd like to see this happen, but in something other than tanks. a mobile fortress of some sort. something bigger, slower, stronger, and easier to shoot at... like a mobile fortress of some sorts... a "land titan" as true adamance would argue against, could actually be a great idea...

Infantry support should be in the form of maneuverability. I believe tanks are and have always been way too fast, both top speed and acceleration. A tank should be about staying power, not about hit-and-run. Slow them down, and perhaps buff their hp. This makes it easier to place AV remotes on them, means they struggle to escape AV once it becomes overwhelming, and emphasizes their main role: support of infantry. This also means that they need infantry to protect them from AV, scouts with remotes, and lighter vehicles.

Right... only when AV and especially the swarm stuipdness is toned considerably then let's talk about giving tanks staying power and less speed and manoeuvrability... Not before.

First off quick story-time.

So recently i was in a match where we had the enemies pushed to an exterior objective, where they were firmly lodged behind cover with decent logi support, and we were assaulting from a pretty much open field with minimal cover. Needless to say we werent making much progress untill a friendly tank showed up, and while the pilot didnt get any kills, he remained stationary and allowed the infantry to use him as cover and his small rails eventually supressed the enemies long enough for us to rush them. Now im relatively certain that the tank and some of the infantry were squadded and this was synchronized, but still. This is something that should be encouraged.

So then i thought for a bit, and i feel like there is currently very little cooperation between infantry and pilots, theres lots of interaction as they shoot each other, but actual cooperation is limited to MCRUs and infantry making opposing AV infantry's lives difficult, both of which are passive (basically 'shoot the reds' or 'equip blueberry dispenser")

I've thought up a few features that would help encourage and reward more cooperation. First off - MCRUs need to be fixed. They are still broken and can only be spawned on if your clone has been terminated. Make them always active and reduce WP per spawn from 50 to 25 (like uplinks)

On top of that, buff repairing vehicles. The axis repair tool is in a sorry state right now, nobody uses it, and repairing vehicles offers no rewards. as far as WP goes, repping vehicles should reward SOMETHING, but in order to prevent massive WP farming exploits, repair points should be earned far slower than repairing a dropsuit. On the flipside, guardian points would be expanded to include vehicle damage and vehicle destruction points, so the person repping a tank that destroys another tank will receive a sizable ammount of WP.

Beyond that, there are a few vehicle modules that i have though of to increase a vehicle's versatility and make more of a positive impact on friendly infantry (aside from destroying enemy tanks)
Nanocloud Disperser
Offers passive healing to nearby teamates, up to 40hp/s at proto. Would be very hard to fit (PG/CPU hog)
Provides triage WP to vehicle pilot

Mass Ammo Replicator
Creates ammo for infantry in a small radius around the vehicle, relatively easy to fit
Offers restocking WP for pilot

Both these modules, combined with MCRUs would encourage the use of tanks as 'mobile bases' , rewarding both tankers and infantry. Tanker finally get that role they always wanted, and infantry benefit from more acessible spawns and repairs. also may get some blueberries to start thinking teamwork (I like the reps this tank is giving me... maybe i should kill that AVer over there?)

If this were to happen, then i believe that tanks could be made more into 'focal points' on the battlefield - far slower, far more durable, far more damaging, maknig tanks the best counter to tanks but making them require infantry support by removing almost all AI capability from the main gun, so they could handle some AV fire but would die quickly to concentrated AV without infantry support.

So i know this has become a bit of a wall of text but i think that these changes would benefit everybody, tankers and non tankers.