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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:31:00 -
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After seeing all these comments and threads about how OP Maddies are, I have decided to put them to the test. I call upon the community to aid me in these tests. Time to see if claims like "Maddies can resist AV with impunity" hold any water.
The tests will be to determine how hard a tank is to kill. I will be queuing FW on the opposite side of my fellow testers. Me and my testers will move to a quiet area determined once we are queued together in order to conduct these tests in relative safety and seclusion. I will then proceed to call in various tank builds for them to fire upon to test how much these tanks can take. I ask for several things from the community.
1. I want people complaining of OP Maddies to post the fittings they believe are OP.
NOTE: I will not be fitting all complex mods on proto tanks for these tests. There is no difference in armor hardeners from basic to proto save for cooldown times. Therefore, the test results will not be affected by using basic hardeners compared to using proto. As well, using a proto tank doesn't increase any attribute other than fitting. Therefore, I will be using basic tanks in order to reduce the financial burden on myself, since I will be providing multiple tanks for destruction. In addition I will not be fitting the high slots. As these tanks will simply be sitting there and not moving or fighting back, there is no need to fit fuel injectors or scanners or the other high slot items. I will also be fitting a militia turret, since we aren't testing turret damage, only Maddy survivability.
Therefore, post the fits you think are OP, but know I am downgrading or removing the modules not directly related to survivability. don't bother mentioning scanners or fuel injectors in your fittings; I will not be using them. I will be using complex reps and plates if that's what is called for however, since there is a significant difference between basic and proto plates and reps. I will make a list of fits people think are OP in this thread, and will post the fits used in testing in the thread showing the results.
Fits submitted are:
2. I need volunteers to provide me with the best AV infantry and vehicle fits they can. I request only people with max or close to max skills apply for the various positions; I don't want some 2 day old newberry with no skills bringing a militia weapon to the tests. Also post either a list of the suit/vehicle and modules you want to bring, or create a fit here and post a link of what you are bringing. I need to know what my volunteers are using so I can know how to interpret the results. IE: a 2 day old newberry with a militia forge shouldn't expect to do much to a hardened tank with complex reps/plates. If a maxed out proto forge gun in unable to dent these tanks, we will have a problem.
NOTE: These fits should be viable to use in competitive gameplay. Don't bring a Gunnlogi with 5 damage mods unless that fit is legitimately viable in a competitive setting like PC. Volunteers can apply for multiple weapons or vehicles if they like, as long as they are maxed or close to maxed in the weapons they are applying for.
NOTE: I do not expect you to have maxed fitting skills unless those are needed to fit your suits. PLC fitting 5 does nothing to up the damage or DPS of the PLC. If you can make a viable fit with PLC fitting 0, that's perfectly acceptable. however, I do expect you to have things like operation, rapid reload, and proficiency maxed to close to maxed, as these directly affect how much damage you can put downrange.
I will pay the volunteers 500k ISK for every weapon/vehicle they bring for this test.
3. I need someone who can record this test and post it to Youtube or somewhere that I can link to the forums for people to watch how the test went. The tests should be for all to witness with their own eyes whether these Maddy fits are OP or not. ratamaq doc recorded for me on the swarm tests I posted several months ago, but anyone with recording equipment may apply.
I will pay the recorder 500k ISK for their trouble.
4. Not necessary, but anyone who is willing to donate ISK to cover the cost of the tanks or the rewards for the volunteers would be greatly appreciated.
Positions and those who have applied will be posted below:
Swarms -
Forge Gun -
Plasma Cannon -
Large Railgun -
Large Missiles -
Large Blaster -
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:37:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Got as far as the first part and concluded this is an incomplete test.
Proto repairers and proto plates give much more than their basic counterparts. Include a fuel injector, because that is a big part of survivability for a Madrugar. If you don't put the SP into it, how can you test it fully?
This is why people should read the whole thing before commenting. I clearly said:
Quote: I will be using complex reps and plates if that's what is called for however, since there is a significant difference between basic and proto plates and reps.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:39:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Got as far as the first part and concluded this is an incomplete test.
Proto repairers and proto plates give much more than their basic counterparts. Include a fuel injector, because that is a big part of survivability for a Madrugar. If you don't put the SP into it, how can you test it fully? This is why people should read the whole thing before commenting. I clearly said: Quote: I will be using complex reps and plates if that's what is called for however, since there is a significant difference between basic and proto plates and reps. Edited right before. Sorry.
All good m8. Just read the entire thing before calling out errors. Any errors found need to be corrected if this test is to be useful.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:44:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:One thing I will say, however:
There is skills that increases repair efficiency. That may be a variable for consideration.
Also, field testing may be a good thing once the control (tank sitting there taking hits) is set. Q-sync a tanker on one team vs. a squad of AV, say, two or three, trying to take the tank out the whole match.
I may be able to record this, depending on when it is. I need to know in advance.
Excellent, I'll put you down as a possible. I have most tank related skills to 5 including the repair skill. Only some fitting skills are not proto, but they are unnecessary for these tests.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.24 04:46:00 -
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Putting Vesta down for swarms.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:35:00 -
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Lupus Wolf wrote:When will you be doing this? Just wondering.
I am currently doing RL things until later today (Tuesday, Central time zone) So ideally tomorrow or Thursday/Friday. I actually think it may be easier logistically to do one weapon at a time, rather than try to get them all at once.
Also, so far the only fit I have seen for OP tanks is 2x hardeners and 2x reppers. Are there no others?
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:44:00 -
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Proto turrets are good, but make sure you can build viable PC fits with them. We can't say tanks are fine if a 5 damage modded rail can kill them when 5 damage modded rails aren't a viable fit to use.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:57:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:
Excellent, I'll put you down as a possible. I have most tank related skills to 5 including the repair skill. Only some fitting skills are not proto, but they are unnecessary for these tests.
You should check to see if you can fit 2x complex heavy reppers on a standard hull before you say that.
I can, i have checked. It helps not fitting much of anything beyond the tank modules and necessary turrets.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:47:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Depending on when ya do it, i have swarms and PLC. just send me a message :D
What are your skills in those weapons?
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:36:00 -
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As I said, I'll be trying for tomorrow through Friday. I will probably record each weapon separately so I don't have to coordinate so many people. Plus it'll be easier for people to understand what is happening. Since I have so many volunteers for swarms I will do video of that first. Assuming I have someone to record the testing.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:00:00 -
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james rains wrote:I have proficiency 5 forge, and 3 swarm, and 3 plasma. I'd like to help.
Putting you down for forge gun. Bring a viable fit. I'll message you in game when I get home tomorrow.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:03:00 -
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Your call. When you forge, what fits do you use? Bring those to the testing.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:17:00 -
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Bring an advanced heavy with a complex damage mod. Proto forge gun, breach, regular or assault is your choice.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.26 15:59:00 -
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I will attempt to gather people for the test in a few hours.
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