DUST Search - HMG Nerf? Found a work around!

Georgia Xavier wrote:

Luk Manag wrote:

137H4RGIC wrote:

Darken-Sol wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

This makes no sense mathematically.

A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier.

Where did you get the idea it was better from?

Range, dispersion, both slots gain benefit of each dmg mod, fitting, sight. He pretty much gave you his answer before you asked your question. DPS is only a factor of a weapons usefulness. A lesson more of new eden could learn.

Pretty much says it all. You don't have to worry about heat build up, and you can spend both mags before having to reload, which is quick anyway, and your damage mods (as he said) benefit both weapon slots.

*edit: and the hipfire is tighter in dispersion, and ADS is pretty much spot on. EDITx2: Also, your math assuming ALL of the HMG bullets hit, which they rarely ever do in strafe fights, whereas with the SMG it's much easier.

Being outranged by the average sidearm just feels lame.

at the very least, managing to kill someone with the supposedly useless hmg fills me with more pride since I still perform quite well while using a weapon that is a shell of its former self

I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together!

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137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 498	Posted - 2015.03.23 16:58:00 - [1] - Quote I found a weapon which has relatively the same range as the newly nerfed HMG, has more accuracy and you can use two of them! They hold more damage, slightly less rate of fire! What is this new devilry you speak? I'm talking the prototype sub-machine gun! Using less CPU/PWG than it's Heavy Counter part, the SMG allows you to reload faster, carry almost as much ammo, and has a tighter hip fire spread with laser aim down sight accuracy! Now you can be part of the hip fire war with the scouts! The damage modifiers have higher values! Come try the Prototype SMG today and drop your Boundless Heavy Machine Gun for something far more versatile! Did I mention it doesn't over heat? I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge 725	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:01:00 - [2] - Quote I've been rocking the six kin submachine gun for a long, long time.... its a monster....lol I've got a fit where there are two of them, so I can tap R2 and continue to spray with a whole new clip without even having to reload. Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7966	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote Try with damage mods. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 498	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:09:00 - [4] - Quote Just a friendly PSA for our ridiculed brethren of the Heavies showing that an SMG is a much more efficient way to handle your gun game in light of the new Nerf to HMGs I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 488	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:14:00 - [5] - Quote The HMG is still a very powerful weapon, all it needs is a heat build up reduction (what it used to have). The SMG isn't "much more efficient" than the HMG. Stop exagerating. Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 498	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:19:00 - [6] - Quote is the range not the same? If not, only 10 meters of a distance? Which, in combat, isn't much in CQC. From what I'm seeing, it's more viable to use the SMG I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2782	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:21:00 - [7] - Quote This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 124	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:25:00 - [8] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Was about to be a bit annoyed since an smg outclassed the "death's engine" but then you showed up with beautiful math. Thank you How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1855	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:26:00 - [9] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Range, dispersion, both slots gain benefit of each dmg mod, fitting, sight. He pretty much gave you his answer before you asked your question. DPS is only a factor of a weapons usefulness. A lesson more of new eden could learn. Crush them
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 498	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Range, dispersion, both slots gain benefit of each dmg mod, fitting, sight. He pretty much gave you his answer before you asked your question. DPS is only a factor of a weapons usefulness. A lesson more of new eden could learn. Pretty much says it all. You don't have to worry about heat build up, and you can spend both mags before having to reload, which is quick anyway, and your damage mods (as he said) benefit both weapon slots. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 708	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:35:00 - [11] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Range, dispersion, both slots gain benefit of each dmg mod, fitting, sight. He pretty much gave you his answer before you asked your question. DPS is only a factor of a weapons usefulness. A lesson more of new eden could learn. Pretty much says it all. You don't have to worry about heat build up, and you can spend both mags before having to reload, which is quick anyway, and your damage mods (as he said) benefit both weapon slots. edit: and the hipfire is tighter in dispersion, and ADS is pretty much spot on. EDITx2: Also, your math assuming ALL of the HMG bullets hit, which they rarely ever do in strafe fights, whereas with the SMG it's much easier. Being outranged by the average sidearm just feels lame. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]*
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 124	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:38:00 - [12] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Range, dispersion, both slots gain benefit of each dmg mod, fitting, sight. He pretty much gave you his answer before you asked your question. DPS is only a factor of a weapons usefulness. A lesson more of new eden could learn. Pretty much says it all. You don't have to worry about heat build up, and you can spend both mags before having to reload, which is quick anyway, and your damage mods (as he said) benefit both weapon slots. *edit: and the hipfire is tighter in dispersion, and ADS is pretty much spot on. EDITx2: Also, your math assuming ALL of the HMG bullets hit, which they rarely ever do in strafe fights, whereas with the SMG it's much easier. Being outranged by the average sidearm just feels lame. at the very least, managing to kill someone with the supposedly useless hmg fills me with more pride since I still perform quite well while using a weapon that is a shell of its former self How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 499	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:50:00 - [13] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Luk Manag wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: This makes no sense mathematically. A) maximum DPS of a Six Kin with 4 proto damage mods against armor with proficiency 5 is 628.9 DPS. A Basic HMG does 640 DPS before applying any skills or weapon profiles. So the best possible Proto SMG with max skills does less damage against armor (the tank its good against) than the basic HMG does on its own before applying any sort of modifier. Where did you get the idea it was better from? Range, dispersion, both slots gain benefit of each dmg mod, fitting, sight. He pretty much gave you his answer before you asked your question. DPS is only a factor of a weapons usefulness. A lesson more of new eden could learn. Pretty much says it all. You don't have to worry about heat build up, and you can spend both mags before having to reload, which is quick anyway, and your damage mods (as he said) benefit both weapon slots. *edit: and the hipfire is tighter in dispersion, and ADS is pretty much spot on. EDITx2: Also, your math assuming ALL of the HMG bullets hit, which they rarely ever do in strafe fights, whereas with the SMG it's much easier. Being outranged by the average sidearm just feels lame. at the very least, managing to kill someone with the supposedly useless hmg fills me with more pride since I still perform quite well while using a weapon that is a shell of its former self More power to ya brother :) I admire a guy that sticks to his guns.... No pun intended. I'm more concerned that the nerf to the HMG was a bit much being that the SMG can compete with it. Honestly? I think instead of nerfing the HMG, they should change up the Sentinel Class. Make the Sentinel class a class which specializes in HMG operation (damage, range, rof or something to that effect making it a more lethal killing machine) and make it squishier than the sentinel is now, kill its grenade count or remove the sidearm.. And then, create a point defense suit which specializes in tanking. Call it the Juggernaut. Give it efficacy bonuses to armor/shields. That way, the roles of the Heavy are more defined. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 402	Posted - 2015.03.23 17:55:00 - [14] - Quote I dropped my Boundless long ago for the Six Kin Burst HMG CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1213	Posted - 2015.03.23 18:02:00 - [15] - Quote Anyone who thinks the SMG is better than the hmg is an idiot. Please go ahead and try to push an objective with an SMG instead.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3263	Posted - 2015.03.23 19:06:00 - [16] - Quote I have to be brutally honest and say I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for HMG heavies and possibly never will have. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 500	Posted - 2015.03.23 19:54:00 - [17] - Quote <- Career Heavy since Jan '13. I was displeased with the Serious HMG buff as well as everyone started going Heavy. But, now, we're back to where they were when their range was laughable along with hit detection. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 130	Posted - 2015.03.23 19:57:00 - [18] - Quote I was a heavy back when the amarr was the only one with a heavy suit..... How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2793	Posted - 2015.03.23 20:17:00 - [19] - Quote I love the heavy cri. Feed me more tears. "My murdercannon isn't OP anymore! Wahhhh!" Home at Last <3
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23014	Posted - 2015.03.23 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Being outranged by the average sidearm just feels lame. Not having an instant kill murdermachine at whatever range you want is lame too, right? Gallente Guide "More like a ban farm amirite" - CCP Frame

Powerh8er Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 709	Posted - 2015.03.23 20:39:00 - [21] - Quote There is not much point or fun in choosing the heavy class when every light weapon outranges and perform overall better. I wouldnt mind if HMGs had same dps as rifles as long as it functioned as a machine gun, with better range and ammo capacity than rifles that is. Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3678	Posted - 2015.03.23 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote Well you've already failed if you're using an HMG at a range anything other then "optimal" so... GG. Also nothing comes closes to my IAFG with prof and a pair of complex D-mods... Since I can aim. So Heavies are still very useful, so the poster above, unless your aim is so terribad you have to use swarms. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1223	Posted - 2015.03.23 21:51:00 - [23] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: There is not much point or fun in choosing the heavy class when every light weapon outranges and perform overall better. I wouldnt mind if HMGs had same dps as rifles as long as it functioned as a machine gun, with better range and ammo capacity than rifles that is. Or they could make a new weapon that works like that. Then we could have more than two heavy weapons lol.
Powerh8er Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 709	Posted - 2015.03.23 22:35:00 - [24] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Well you've already failed if you're using an HMG at a range anything other then "optimal" so... GG. Also nothing comes closes to my IAFG with prof and a pair of complex D-mods... Since I can aim. So Heavies are still very useful, so the poster above, unless your aim is so terribad you have to use swarms. Im lobbying for a better HMG as a support weapon with decent range to make the heavy class fun. I dont doubt for a second that you are the best forge gunner in the game or even that my aiming skill is bad, but its the wrong thread. Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
Hyuan BubblePOP Uber Wanabes 23	Posted - 2015.03.27 15:35:00 - [25] - Quote this nerf to hmg was just wrong, where is lance2ballzstrong ... :(


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