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MarasdF Loron
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:13:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:A double-hardened armor tank is all but invincible while the hardeners are active; once down, however, it's going to be paper-thin. This is actually what Rattati was proposing way back with the wave of opportunity--a tank should briefly be able to come in and dominate things before having to withdraw to safety.
And yet with 2 armor hardeners on and one enhanced 120 plate and complex heavy rep just one swarmer can destroy my tank before the hardeners get on cooldown if I don't kill that swarmer, what fit that swarmer is using however I do not know.
2 hardeners active and proxies can still hit for 14k damage, done by a single player. And remotes on a jihad can hit for 11k.
2 hardeners active and 2 swarmers will kill you if you are using the fit I mentioned earlier and you don't manage to kill them first.
2 hardeners active and even forges hit for way over 2k if they hit the weakspot, for how much over 2k and with what type of forges I cannot say, what I can say is that I had 2.1k armor left and 2 hardeners on and a single Gastun's forge hit killed me.
So double hardened tanks are still more than possible to kill, even solo. It's just that AV players want all vehicles popping instantly as they just look at them.
EDIT: If you guys don't believe me I will just go out there and record how things are and make a montage out of it. Maybe.
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MarasdF Loron
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:26:00 -
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On another note: if tanks are invincible, how is it that I can see them? #Logic
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MarasdF Loron
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:35:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Everything Dies wrote:A double-hardened armor tank is all but invincible while the hardeners are active; once down, however, it's going to be paper-thin. This is actually what Rattati was proposing way back with the wave of opportunity--a tank should briefly be able to come in and dominate things before having to withdraw to safety. Well, why did he nerf triple shield hardened vehicles? That's the real question
Because you can rotate 3 shield hardeners to keep them on constantly, you can do the same with 2 armor hardeners, but armor harderners never had 60% damage resistance from a single hardener.
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MarasdF Loron
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:48:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:So he pops out with the hardeners back on, that is smart piloting, do you really expect pilots to dual AV which can pop a basic HAV with no hardener on in about a clip? Why is it vehicle players think AV should take more than one clip kill something but are fine with the fact that everything else can kill 2 or 3 of somethings in a clip? Why is it that AV are the only weapons you expect to take more than one clip to do it's job? Just because you're in a tank doesn't mean you're invincible to infantry, in fact infantry is the greatest threat to tanks. Why? Because they can pop out from anywhere and 1-2 shot your ass and there's not a damn thing you can do about it if you don't have your own infantry support.
I guess it would have something do with balance. Tanks are huge targets out there unable to hide very well and have most of the relevant areas in maps denied from them. Infantry are small and can easily place themselves in positions where tanks cannot possibly hurt them but they then can easily combat those tanks regardless.
And there's no such thing as aim assist for tanks so hit detection is horrible and tanks cannot usually strafe and stuff to avoid infantry from hitting those huge hitboxes. Not to mention those fire and forget swarms that do the aiming for you, as if you really needed any more help to hit those huge hitboxes.
I mean, if infantry and tanks were remotely alike then yeah, I guess multiple AV kills per AV weapon clip would be balanced, but as your chance to miss is so low unless you just suck at this game, I don't see why you would need to 1 shot tanks with AV weapons so you can have your multiple AV kills per clip.
Anyway, what do I know? I'm stupid.
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