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DDx77 The Exemplars 172	Posted - 2015.03.19 16:26:00 - [1] - Quote Here goes........,,, Assault Mk0 Reduce CPU from 392 to 360 or 365 Reduce armor from 190 to 155 (all tiers) Reduce stanima recover from 50 to 25 (why on earth is it 50?) Change slot layout to 5 highs and 3 low Assault Gk0 Increase armor repair rate from 4.50 to 9.50 Change slot layout to 4 highs 4 lows Assault Ck0 Increase armor from 155 to 190 (all tiers) Increase shield recharge from 30hp to 40hp or 45hp Decrease shield recharge delay from 5s to 4sec So I don't think any dev needs a spread sheet to see that the Minmatar assault is the most popular and strongest suit at the moment. The only reason not to spec into this suit is if you do not like the Minmatar specifically (or think it's fugly like I do:) It does everything. And it does everything better or as good as other suits including scouts. ( I think it might have been sgt Kirk who had a post about assault roles and how the minmatar is stepping on others roles) I think the problem with the mk0 lies somewhere between the slot configuration and CPU/ hp tanking ability - to me it just has to much hp for a suit that moves so fast you can't hit it 40% of the time I thought switching the mk0 to the ck0 layout is more inline with minmatar as they seem to favor shields from what I've seen. Reduced starting armor because of the speed benefit of the suit . Reduced CPU to be inline with the limited technology of race. Reduced stanima regen as it didn't make sense to have 200 stanima but 50 regen when amarr is 250 with 30 ( I have always though of the Minmatar as scrappy underdog fighters, they win against stronger opponents by out working and out thinking them but the Mk0 is again easily the strongest suit - I think all the other suits on paper should be slightly better) I changed the gk0 because Gallente to me are the most balanced race and therefore should have the most balanced layout. I increased armor regen to compensate a bit for losing that low slot (which should be a repper anyway) I changed the CK0 because for a shield based suit, the shield regen and recharge delay felt only slightly better than the other races. I increased the armor because at 155 the suit is the same speed as GK0 ( at 155 the suit should have the same speed as the mk0 IMO ) Thoughts? May the Dark shine your way
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game 1875	Posted - 2015.03.19 17:01:00 - [2] - Quote No. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
DDx77 The Exemplars 172	Posted - 2015.03.19 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: No. I can understand if Gallente loyalist and would love constructive feedback on their thoughts so ....no to all or...????? .....and why????? May the Dark shine your way
ASSASSINO RITARDATO Dead Man's Game 23	Posted - 2015.03.19 17:07:00 - [4] - Quote Just no... My main was banned
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens 1216	Posted - 2015.03.19 17:34:00 - [5] - Quote I disagree. Here is why. Caldari: they are supposed to have the lowest armor HP in all of New Eden. They focus on Shields only. Not armor so it would make sense for them to have the weakest armor in the game. Shield regen is fine as it is right now. Gallente: My go to Assault is Gallente Assault. But giving them a base armor regen of 9.50 would be too OP and would encourage armor stacking. Some modifications might be needed with the slots tho. Make the Gallente 3 highs 4 lows and the Amarr 2 highs 5 lows. Why like this? To stop having Gallente Assaults stacking massive ammounts of armor. Gallente is not the Armor tanking race. That's the Amarr's job. Minmatar: Armor should stay as it is. Some tweaks are needed in stamina tho. Make it 30-35 instead of 25. The only good thing the suit has base on stats is the stamina since the Minmatar Assault is the weakes of all Assaults eHP wise so their stamina and speed make up for it BUT I do agree they are a bit over the top. The Forums are a special place.
DDx77 The Exemplars 172	Posted - 2015.03.19 17:55:00 - [6] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: I disagree. Here is why. Caldari: they are supposed to have the lowest armor HP in all of New Eden. They focus on Shields only. Not armor so it would make sense for them to have the weakest armor in the game. Shield regen is fine as it is right now. Gallente: My go to Assault is Gallente Assault. But giving them a base armor regen of 9.50 would be too OP and would encourage armor stacking. Some modifications might be needed with the slots tho. Make the Gallente 3 highs 4 lows and the Amarr 2 highs 5 lows. Why like this? To stop having Gallente Assaults stacking massive ammounts of armor. Gallente is not the Armor tanking race. That's the Amarr's job. Minmatar: Armor should stay as it is. Some tweaks are needed in stamina tho. Make it 30-35 instead of 25. The only good thing the suit has base on stats is the stamina since the Minmatar Assault is the weakes of all Assaults eHP wise so their stamina and speed make up for it BUT I do agree they are a bit over the top. --- Thank you, Did not consider those slot options for amarr and Gal I think a nerf bat will find it's way to the min assault once Rat has enough data, I've just noticed ever since it got 4 highs and 4 lows, it's been lights out good The Cal is squishy but it is what it is May the Dark shine your way
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1200	Posted - 2015.03.19 18:00:00 - [7] - Quote Assaults are fine as they are and balanced. Plus you got everything all wrong lore wise. It's clear you just hate minmatar. If anything we have to balance the shield and armor issue, not assaults.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 2045	Posted - 2015.03.19 18:04:00 - [8] - Quote U nearly pissed myself when you said give the caldari suit mote armour. Do you actually understand the tanking philosophy's of each off new Edens empires. Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 422	Posted - 2015.03.19 18:14:00 - [9] - Quote So you want to nerf minAss to the ground and put galAss at its place? Maybe what you need is just skilling in minAss. Pretty much no to everything except the recharge delay and rate of the cal being better. Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3455	Posted - 2015.03.19 18:25:00 - [10] - Quote Shield stats for Caldari Assaults should be looked into, in my opinion. The base recharge are fairly bad. 30 HP/s, 5 delay, 6 depleted: Caldari. 25 HP/s, 6 delay, 8 depleted: Minmatar 20 HP/s, 7 delay, 10 depleted: Amarr/Gallente Compare that to the Scouts: 50 HP/s, 3 delay, 4 depleted: Caldari 40 HP/s, 4 delay, 5 depleted: Minmatar 30 HP/s, 4 delay, 6 depleted: Amarr/Gallente I would love to see the Caldari Assault get like a 10 HP/s increase and a 1 second drop to both delay and depleted. I think one of the reasons why Shield is a better defensive strategy is because the base stats on the Caldari are fairly bad. No one ever states that the Caldari Scout is a weak suit or that it feels weak and I believe that at least part of it is because of the exceptional Shield stats on Caldari, and really all, Scouts. Adding in 35 extra Armor is not a good idea. Caldari shouldn't be about having that Armor. Also, it makes the Caldari Assault have the highest base EHP in the game at 465 compared to the Amarrian Assault's 460. The Assaults as a whole need to be looked into though. They don't really do anything interesting enough to warrant them being so very similar to Frames. They don't have specialized Equipment like Scouts, they don't have multiple equipment slots like Logistics, they don't have the Light Weapon versatility like Commandos, and they don't have special weapons like the Sentinel. There is also the fact that the weapon bonuses that the Assaults receive are not very well built. Some increase your total damage in a fight (Amarr and Minmatar), benefits in hipfire (Gallente), and the Caldari which increases reload speed. There is nothing here the really explains what the Assaults should do. They are essentially Frames with some extra HP. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6731	Posted - 2015.03.19 18:39:00 - [11] - Quote No on the slot layouts. Minmatar is the dual tank race, and Caldari already has that layout. Gallente is not. We should keep our current layout to rep efficiently and put enough damage mods on our suits. Also, no on the regen changes. Just because you get killed by plenty of Minmatar does not mean there are better suits suited to your play style. Base eHP changes: no. It's very anti-Minmatar, allows Caldari to dual tank more efficiently than it should, and just no.
DDx77 The Exemplars 172	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:04:00 - [12] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Assaults are fine as they are and balanced. Plus you got everything all wrong lore wise. It's clear you just hate minmatar. If anything we have to balance the shield and armor issue, not assaults. I don't hate the minmatar, I have minmatar sent and commando at 3 and plan on skilling into the scout next ( it's a badass looking suit) The Minmatar assault is everywhere, it is a great suit. Rat seems to base nerfs on usage/performance. I'm not too savvy with actually EVE lore, I was going by other minmatar suit configs which seem to have one more high slot than low. ( I could be very mistaken but I think the original minmatar Mk0 slot layout was 5 high 2 low) May the Dark shine your way
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3456	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:11:00 - [13] - Quote DDx77 wrote: I don't hate the minmatar, I have minmatar sent and commando at 3 and plan on skilling into the scout next ( it's a badass looking suit) The Minmatar assault is everywhere, it is a great suit. Rat seems to base nerfs on usage/performance. I'm not too savvy with actually EVE lore, I was going by other minmatar suit configs which seem to have one more high slot than low. ( I could be very mistaken but I think the original minmatar Mk0 slot layout was 5 high 2 low) Checking Prototfits.com took me 10 seconds to confirm that the mk.0 is 4/4. Why on earth are you trying to make the Gallente out to be 4/4 when they are super Armor tankers? The entire shtick of the Minmatar is that they tank with Shields and Armor about equally. 3/5 for Gallente makes because of this Armor tradition in the same way that 4/4 makes sense for Minmatar in that dual defense tradition. Would be like suggesting that the Caldari need more Armor! Oh, you did that too... "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2306	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:12:00 - [14] - Quote only suit that needs a small buff is the caldari assault. KEQ diplomat. CBM
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2863	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:16:00 - [15] - Quote Minmatar gets too much biotic advantage. Stamina is supposed to be the Amarr's strong suit, and while the Amarr is good there, the minmatar not only gets that, they get more speed. Too much. Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars 108	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:32:00 - [16] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: DDx77 wrote: I don't hate the minmatar, I have minmatar sent and commando at 3 and plan on skilling into the scout next ( it's a badass looking suit) The Minmatar assault is everywhere, it is a great suit. Rat seems to base nerfs on usage/performance. I'm not too savvy with actually EVE lore, I was going by other minmatar suit configs which seem to have one more high slot than low. ( I could be very mistaken but I think the original minmatar Mk0 slot layout was 5 high 2 low) Checking Prototfits.com took me 10 seconds to confirm that the mk.0 is 4/4. Why on earth are you trying to make the Gallente out to be 4/4 when they are super Armor tankers? The entire shtick of the Minmatar is that they tank with Shields and Armor about equally. 3/5 for Gallente makes because of this Armor tradition in the same way that 4/4 makes sense for Minmatar in that dual defense tradition. Would be like suggesting that the Caldari need more Armor! Oh, you did that too... Ok, forum trolls found this post. DDx77 ignore half of what these haters are putting out. Good work on a post but these changes aren't necessary. The current assault is good except you are right about the cal assault. It didn't matter so much before, but since they are chief blue users they have reduced the extender and possibly regen mods so they feel a little nerfed with the high slots being the more desired slot for dmg, blues, extenders, and regen. The min can do most of what the cal does but better. That buff to shields sounds good. I think most people are still swinging with the meta change to assaults. Plus any cal user is understanding that his race is hated by the designers. Now to start shotgunning and REing again, everyone will love this play style. Face Palm!
DDx77 The Exemplars 173	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:46:00 - [17] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: DDx77 wrote: I don't hate the minmatar, I have minmatar sent and commando at 3 and plan on skilling into the scout next ( it's a badass looking suit) The Minmatar assault is everywhere, it is a great suit. Rat seems to base nerfs on usage/performance. I'm not too savvy with actually EVE lore, I was going by other minmatar suit configs which seem to have one more high slot than low. ( I could be very mistaken but I think the original minmatar Mk0 slot layout was 5 high 2 low) Checking Prototfits.com took me 10 seconds to confirm that the mk.0 is 4/4. Why on earth are you trying to make the Gallente out to be 4/4 when they are super Armor tankers? The entire shtick of the Minmatar is that they tank with Shields and Armor about equally. 3/5 for Gallente makes because of this Armor tradition in the same way that 4/4 makes sense for Minmatar in that dual defense tradition. Would be like suggesting that the Caldari need more Armor! Oh, you did that too... I said ORIGINAL minmatar layout. Please read what wrote correctly. Are you new to Dust? Or did you chase the FOTM? you seem to know a whole lot more about EvE lore and Philosophies, so maybe you should write a book about it? The minmatar was buffed to 4/4 sometime ago (they buffed all assaults) previous to this buff the minmatar had a different layout and was considered the weakest assault suit. I see you chose Caldari as your race, so I'm not sure why I have to point out that the Caldari assault is currently the weakest assault. This has to do with the meta and the fact that shields are like wet toilet paper to most weapons I honestly do not believe adding 35 armor is going to make that suit OP ( let's give every race 35 extra armor then so this doesn't ruin your fragile EvE ego, ok?) I also don't think I suggested nerfing the min assault into the ground. (Well maybe the CPU....) Again I think the mk0 is a great suit, it is definitely over performing and as more people flock to it it may get nerfed based on its usage. You think it's fine, that's your opinion. May the Dark shine your way
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 300	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:53:00 - [18] - Quote I like your idea of raising the Gallente armour repair rate to 9.5. As for the high/low slots I would like to raise the number of high slots to 5 and keep the current number of low slots as it is.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15577	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:56:00 - [19] - Quote My forehead is red after reading this thread. Strange thing too, the red part is shaped like a hand. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy 751	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:57:00 - [20] - Quote DDx77 wrote: Pagl1u M wrote: No. I can understand if Gallente loyalist and would love constructive feedback on their thoughts so ....no to all or...????? .....and why????? Gallente changes suck (except armour reps that are a bit much but ok) and aren't needed. Cal buff is nice and min should just lose a low slot on all suits. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`

PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy 751	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:00:00 - [21] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: I disagree. Here is why. Caldari: they are supposed to have the lowest armor HP in all of New Eden. They focus on Shields only. Not armor so it would make sense for them to have the weakest armor in the game. Shield regen is fine as it is right now. Gallente: My go to Assault is Gallente Assault. But giving them a base armor regen of 9.50 would be too OP and would encourage armor stacking. Some modifications might be needed with the slots tho. Make the Gallente 3 highs 4 lows and the Amarr 2 highs 5 lows. Why like this? To stop having Gallente Assaults stacking massive ammounts of armor. Gallente is not the Armor tanking race. That's the Amarr's job. Minmatar: Armor should stay as it is. Some tweaks are needed in stamina tho. Make it 30-35 instead of 25. The only good thing the suit has base on stats is the stamina since the Minmatar Assault is the weakes of all Assaults eHP wise so their stamina and speed make up for it BUT I do agree they are a bit over the top. The Gallente suit had a 3/4 slot layout but needed 3/5. I think assaults are fine anyway and this whole thread is pointless. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3561	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:02:00 - [22] - Quote I like all those suggestions, except for the Gal slot change to 4/4. It's just fine where it is. If I were to change something on that suit, it would be its bonus.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17765	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:02:00 - [23] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: I disagree. Here is why. Caldari: they are supposed to have the lowest armor HP in all of New Eden. They focus on Shields only. Not armor so it would make sense for them to have the weakest armor in the game. Shield regen is fine as it is right now. Gallente: My go to Assault is Gallente Assault. But giving them a base armor regen of 9.50 would be too OP and would encourage armor stacking. Some modifications might be needed with the slots tho. Make the Gallente 3 highs 4 lows and the Amarr 2 highs 5 lows. Why like this? To stop having Gallente Assaults stacking massive ammounts of armor. Gallente is not the Armor tanking race. That's the Amarr's job. Minmatar: Armor should stay as it is. Some tweaks are needed in stamina tho. Make it 30-35 instead of 25. The only good thing the suit has base on stats is the stamina since the Minmatar Assault is the weakes of all Assaults eHP wise so their stamina and speed make up for it BUT I do agree they are a bit over the top. You are slightly mistaken on one thing. Gallente ARE AN armour tanking race just like the Amarr ARE AN armour tanking race. There is no THE BEST armour tanking race. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15580	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:04:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: I disagree. Here is why. Caldari: they are supposed to have the lowest armor HP in all of New Eden. They focus on Shields only. Not armor so it would make sense for them to have the weakest armor in the game. Shield regen is fine as it is right now. Gallente: My go to Assault is Gallente Assault. But giving them a base armor regen of 9.50 would be too OP and would encourage armor stacking. Some modifications might be needed with the slots tho. Make the Gallente 3 highs 4 lows and the Amarr 2 highs 5 lows. Why like this? To stop having Gallente Assaults stacking massive ammounts of armor. Gallente is not the Armor tanking race. That's the Amarr's job. Minmatar: Armor should stay as it is. Some tweaks are needed in stamina tho. Make it 30-35 instead of 25. The only good thing the suit has base on stats is the stamina since the Minmatar Assault is the weakes of all Assaults eHP wise so their stamina and speed make up for it BUT I do agree they are a bit over the top. You are slightly mistaken on one thing. Gallente ARE AN armour tanking race just like the Amarr ARE AN armour tanking race. There is no THE BEST armour tanking race. ^ Amarr have high armor, while Gallente use resistances and repair rather than raw armor. Both are equally armor, just different philosophies of tanking. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3458	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:12:00 - [25] - Quote Woah, easier there. Never meant to insult. Reading my post again, it was overly dismissive and insulting. For that I truly apologize. I was overly rude and hostile. I know the Caldari Assault is the weakest Assault. Until the Myofibril changes, I saw no reason to use it over my Caldari Scout. Now I just my Caldari Assault because it is funny jumping around like John Connor and I needed the base HP to not die after a few jumps. Even then, a Cloaked Jumper may very well be better. With the changes to Armor, I don't see that being the appropriate way of going about helping out the Caldari Assault. The Shield changes are certainly a step in the right direction but giving a suit that is meant to be all about the Shields additional Armor is something that I feel is misguided. I never said that you were nerfing the Minmatar to the ground, only that I disagreed with changing the slot layout. It keeps the Minmatar Assault in a more interesting position rather than favoring the 5 and 3 layout of the other races. I am not sure if the Minmatar Assault is over-performing the other Assaults and it needs to be taken down or that the other Assaults are under-performing and need some help. As I mentioned in the first post I made, Assaults has a whole seem like a mishmash of things that don't fit together very well. I still see more Heavies and Scouts than Minmatar Assaults though the Minmatar Assault is certainly fairly common. Whether or not it needs a performance tweak, I would hate for people to assume that the entirety of the Assault role is as healthy/effective as the Minmatar Assault. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game 1879	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:18:00 - [26] - Quote The fact that so many players are even considering and gasp agreeing with OP is killing my IQ. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!


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