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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 20:56:00 -
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The Marduk tanks is completely pointless, there is no reason to use it. It has less CPU/PG then the Madrugar (Including the PG/CPU cost of the 2 militia blasters that come free with it) even more if you fit standard small rail or blasters. The only reason to use it is (after CCP fixes them) if you really really REALLY hate blueberry's in your tank and are willing to take the PG/CPU hit.
Here is the data:
Madrugar vs Marduk
with 2 militia small blasters equip'd the Maddy has +28CPU +115PG
with 2 standard small Blasters Equip'd Maddy has +38CPU +143PG
with 2 standard small Railguns Equip'd Maddy has +10CPU +229PG
(These numbers do not reflect the even more bonus PG/CPU you would get from PG/CPU skills in Small turrets)
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:10:00 -
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The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:13:00 -
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Plus, small Rail Turrets are awesome to have in Tank combat
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:22:00 -
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I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:34:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes?
The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements.
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Cat Merc
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Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:37:00 -
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That's the whole point Hawkin.
Rattati doesn't want you to get any extra CPU/PG from not wanting turrets in your tank.
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Supernus Gigas
The Cooked Goose Coalition
1192
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks.
Wanting to play by myself makes me a selfish prick?
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:53:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:True Adamance wrote: The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks. Wanting to play by myself makes me a selfish prick?
Uh... yeah kind of.
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes? The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements.
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Supernus Gigas
The Cooked Goose Coalition
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:55:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Supernus Gigas wrote:True Adamance wrote: The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks. Wanting to play by myself makes me a selfish prick? Uh... yeah kind of.
Wow, thank you. I never realised me playing solo 95% of the time for the past two years makes me a prick.
You've really opened my eyes.
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Foundation Seldon
Demonite's Legion
902
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes? The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements.
What the hell is this "selfish" nonsense you're spouting? Is it selfish for an ADS pilot to not fit extra turrets? Is it selfish for a person to want to be able to recall and pick another vehicle when they fancy instead of worrying about the blueberry still hanging out in your top turret? I pick HAVs over SHAVs because there's no benefit in the slightest in not using turrets but I wouldn't call the people who want to be able to fit an SHAV that's at least on the same level of their HAV without turrets "selfish".
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:19:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes? The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements. I can do whatever I want:(
Sure and you and Hawkin are free to whine about those HAV having less fitting allocations.
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes? The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements.
Thanks for summarizing!
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Aero Yassavi
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:27:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:True Adamance wrote: The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks. Wanting to play by myself makes me a selfish prick?
Ugh . . .
mySELF
SELFish
Words, how do they work?
The prick part is subjective 
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
General Tso's Alliance
177
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:28:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:True Adamance wrote: The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks. Wanting to play by myself makes me a selfish prick?
Adamance still misses the point. Many tankers don't want turrets because blueberries can and will steal vehicles. Only with locks or ejections becoming available may that change. |
Stupid Blueberry
The Darkhunter Society
1049
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:31:00 -
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Well...
It has a cooler name than Madrugar.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:47:00 -
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Complaining about selfish tankers is not an excuse to have an asset that is completely obsoleted by another one which is simply better.
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Lupus Wolf
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:31:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Supernus Gigas wrote:True Adamance wrote: The benefits of using a tank with turrets and not being a selfish prick solely concerned with solo play in tanks. Wanting to play by myself makes me a selfish prick? Adamance still misses the point. Many tankers don't want turrets because blueberries can and will steal vehicles. Only with locks or ejections becoming available may that change.
An ejection option would be SO useful. Not just for tanks, but for Dropships and LAVs too. Last match I played, a blue hopped into my front turret and afk'd the rest of the match, so I couldn't recall when my bro needed a logi.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:31:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Complaining about selfish tankers is not an excuse to have an asset that is completely obsoleted by another one which is simply better.
The SHAV is a tank that is designed to be the paradigm for solo play, aka if you are only fitting modules for yourself, this tank is the limit you can achieve.
The HAV is that tank with allowances per tier made for small turrets which it requires to be fit. Given that I have this extra requirement to fit turrets and the PG/CPU to do so I see so issue that as a result of various fitting skills, and choosing lower tier turrets that I can make use of addition freed up fitting stats.
What then would be the purpose of my small turret fitting optimisation skills if I could not squeeze more out of the vehicle in this manner? I have invested SP into making this HAV more efficient and simply put better than theirs, SHAV pilots have not and have the audacity to whine at me because of this?
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
3410
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:46:00 -
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I never understood this "selfish" argument for being solo in a tank. No one ever brought it up for any other role. "You are a Logistics and getting a whole bunch of WP off out Repair. That's so selfish of you." "You are in an ADS and killing rooftop campers without gunners. That's so selfish." "You are a Heavy and aren't in a squad. Such a selfish player."
Anyway, the difference in fitting is always going to result even with the mandatory turrets given all the different factors. It would be best to limit that difference so that the two playstyles, that of solo and group play, are not bet preformed by the same vehicle.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:46:00 -
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I slap an MCRU on my Maddy with 2 proto railguns and that definitely helps tip things in my favor. That's just the solo fit, if I ever run in a squad I can ditch the MCRU for a heat sink.
Solo HAVs are such a random idea, and not a very good one lol. The model even still has the turrets on it lmao.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I slap an MCRU on my Maddy with 2 proto railguns and that definitely helps tip things in my favor. That's just the solo fit, if I ever run in a squad I can ditch the MCRU for a heat sink.
Solo HAVs are such a random idea, and not a very good one lol. The model even still has the turrets on it lmao.
Well said. I don't mean to demean Rattati;s intent but its a simple work around for proper vehicle locks.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.19 00:28:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I never understood this "selfish" argument for being solo in a tank. No one ever brought it up for any other role. "You are a Logistics and getting a whole bunch of WP off out Repair. That's so selfish of you." "You are in an ADS and killing rooftop campers without gunners. That's so selfish." "You are a Heavy and aren't in a squad. Such a selfish player."
Agreed. Wasn't this game about finding your play style you enjoy and going with it? |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:00:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I never understood this "selfish" argument for being solo in a tank. No one ever brought it up for any other role. "You are a Logistics and getting a whole bunch of WP off out Repair. That's so selfish of you." "You are in an ADS and killing rooftop campers without gunners. That's so selfish." "You are a Heavy and aren't in a squad. Such a selfish player." Agreed. Wasn't this game about finding your play style you enjoy and going with it?
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Complaining about selfish tankers is not an excuse to have an asset that is completely obsoleted by another one which is simply better. The SHAV is a tank that is designed to be the paradigm for solo play, aka if you are only fitting modules for yourself, this tank is the limit you can achieve. The HAV is that tank with allowances per tier made for small turrets which it requires to be fit. Given that I have this extra requirement to fit turrets and the PG/CPU to do so I see so issue that as a result of various fitting skills, and choosing lower tier turrets that I can make use of addition freed up fitting stats. What then would be the purpose of my small turret fitting optimisation skills if I could not squeeze more out of the vehicle in this manner? I have invested SP into making this HAV more efficient and simply put better than theirs, SHAV pilots have not and have the audacity to whine at me because of this?
True, there are only a few real tankers left in the game.
I don't bother with wannabes anymore. They cannot be helped, the selfishness and self entitlement of the forums have left me bitter and low on patience for damn near everybody.
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes? The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements. I can do whatever I want:( Sure and you and Hawkin are free to whine about those HAV having less fitting allocations. See isn't democracy wonderful everybody.
where did I whine about it? please link the post where I was whining |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:10:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I don't remember all the details, but isn't the this the standard tank? If so, the advanced and proto scale up in CPU/PG, yes? The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements. I can do whatever I want:( Sure and you and Hawkin are free to whine about those HAV having less fitting allocations. See isn't democracy wonderful everybody. where did I whine about it? please link the post where I was whining
Apologies then I assumed your previous post was a complaint.
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:
The Marduk is the SHAV. Basically an HAV for individuals (a silly mechanic IMO as tankers shouldn't be encouraged to play selfishly) and has less PG and CPU to accommodate for it's lack of turret requirements.
I can do whatever I want:( Sure and you and Hawkin are free to whine about those HAV having less fitting allocations. See isn't democracy wonderful everybody. where did I whine about it? please link the post where I was whining Apologies then I assumed your previous post was a complaint.
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:42:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:That's the whole point Hawkin.
Rattati doesn't want you to get any extra CPU/PG from not wanting turrets in your tank.
And my point is that there is no reason for it to exist.
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Apologies then I assumed your previous post was a complaint.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.19 02:21:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Cat Merc wrote:That's the whole point Hawkin.
Rattati doesn't want you to get any extra CPU/PG from not wanting turrets in your tank. And my point is that there is no reason for it to exist.
Nope, there isn't. Which is why I 404'd at the logic of having it in the game in the first place but I finally figured out the logic of it.
People dont want people in their tanks and that's literally the only reason they made it. Ignoring our request for squad only entry, Ora request to enter function. They go straight for making a pointless vehicle. Maybe it was easier, maybe it wasn't. Who knows its the classic CCP noir mystery!
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.19 02:27:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Apologies then I assumed your previous post was a complaint.
I forgive you
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2015.03.19 02:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Apologies then I assumed your previous post was a complaint.
I forgive you *snuggles with Patrick
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.03.19 03:54:00 -
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The idea is that we don't want solo tanks to be better than a tank with 3 people in it (like they used to be.) So you can't have extra fitting that the normal HAV's have...
This is assuming the extra turrets are removed at some point.
Also, there's nothing stopping you from driving away from blueberries when you really need to get something done on your own. Frankly I didn't see the point of the solo HAV to begin with. It's a massive waste of time for the dev team to have introduced. |
Supernus Gigas
The Cooked Goose Coalition
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Posted - 2015.03.19 04:50:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Apologies then I assumed your previous post was a complaint.
I forgive you *snuggles with Patrick stop, I can only get so erect
You high level forum warriors are ******* weird.
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