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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:54:00 -
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I wonder what impact this would have on NPE. Would they be able to compete in an environment where all of the vets can run proto all the time? Would this help balance the teams better overall and therefore help the newberries? Sounds like an opportunity for an event, increase the baseline ISK payout for all pub modes and see what happens.
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1597
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Posted - 2015.03.18 17:10:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Funny thing is if you run a few FW matches you can generally fund yourself very well in pubs.
I must be stupid, but I fail to see how running in a game mode that doesn't pay ISK at all helps fund anything. Care to explain?
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1598
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Posted - 2015.03.18 19:55:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Outlaw OneZero wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Funny thing is if you run a few FW matches you can generally fund yourself very well in pubs.
I must be stupid, but I fail to see how running in a game mode that doesn't pay ISK at all helps fund anything. Care to explain? LP gear is significantly cheaper in ISK than regular gear. If you run a mix of FW & pubs and don't end up on the side that gets stomped too often you can do alright. However when I boot up dust I want to play it, not spend 5 - 20 minutes waiting to just find the match and then another 5 minutes waiting to deploy and then however long is left in the warbarge just for 1 FW match; man, fck that noise with a barbed rod.
Still don't think it adds up. Play FW and lose ISK on suits to earn LP to buy discounted equipment to play pubs... I don't think this works unless you're using all BPOs in FW.
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1601
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Posted - 2015.03.19 12:51:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:
1. Of course, it is the greatest feat ever accomplished by the upper 1% to get the 15% to lobby for them.
2. If payouts were to be increased, what are some ways of going about it?
1. You're making the same mistake people make in the real world, the 1% income is in no way influenced or similar to everyone else's. The money they make or lose on Pubs is irrelevant. Sure they would gain from an overall increase in pub payouts, but that money is meaningless to them to begin with. Increased payouts, like increasing the minimum wage, puts more money in the hands of many more people. The great thing about a video game economy is that increasing the pay for 85% of the population doesn't have to affect the prices of goods (inflation). The rich get richer, but so does everyone else and that helps to level the playing field.
2. Corporations are hiring mercenaries to battle for them. They are theoretically paying for the clone biomass, warbarges, MCCs, installations, etc, to make the attacks, they should also pay to equip their mercenaries to whatever level they can afford. This pay should be agreed upon upfront so that mercs can plan their equipment usage accordingly. They should then pay for our time fighting for their cause (base salary). Victory should earn a fixed bonus for the whole team. Outstanding performance on either side should earn a bonus payment that scales according to contribution as determined by both WP earned and total value of ISK destroyed. Maximum total pay for each team should be capped to prevent farming and stay in line with the value of the service we are providing.
Mercs that do not participate in a meaningful way should be excluded from all payments.
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1601
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:24:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:
Now, we flood newbies with more ISK, maybe they can afford skill books faster. Forgotten what it's like to buy your skillbooks with no ISK, getting protostomped every match along the way?
They have some ISK, they can start running those fits, they can start killing protobears! "Surely killing them 1-2 times will force them to give up prototype gear for that match and start running ADV gear.", so they think.
But no, they now can AFFORD to keep protostomping, and will gladly do so, because I haven't seen much selflessness anywhere in New Eden and I doubt there's going to be a miraculous exception now.
Not quite sure where you stand here, do you support or oppose higher payouts?
I assume oppose on the grounds that it will let the protostompers continue without thinking about ISK efficiency. I suggest to you that's already how it works. Getting killed 1-2 times or many more a match, simply has no impact on the people that are regularly running full proto. They have enough money to continue doing so nearly indefinitely, no matter the losses.
What it does do, is allow people who are trying to be ISK efficient to run a higher quality of gear for longer to put up better resistance without worrying about losing ISK or going broke.
Some of the best fights I've ever seen were right before resets during beta and that one time when payouts were bugged and giving out way too much ISK. Everyone ran the best equipment they could field and fights frequently went right down to the last few clones or tick of armor on both MCCs.
Why should we keep theorizing though? CCP can just run an event where they increase base payouts on all contracts by 200k ISK to all mercs(exclude AFKers) and see how it goes.
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1601
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:16:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Your problem, in my opinion is that you depend on Dom/Skirm/Ambush for isk.
There are like, 5 other ways to make ISK in Dust that I can think of off the top of my head that pay out ISK.
You relying on Pubs, is 1% of the ISK you COULD be making. Literally one percent, actually less maybe?
Are these other sources of income available to all players?
Can casual players take advantage of these sources or do they require more time investment than is feasible for someone who only plays for 1-2 hours a day?
Should a player have to do anything other than play pubs, the quickest and most available ISK source, in order to maintain a healthy enough bank account to play the way they want to play?
Perhaps you could share your insight into making ISK with the rest of us, so we can all make more and therefore offer a higher level of competition whenever we play?
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