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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:54:00 -
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I've been using the Ion Pistol a bit lately, and here are my thoughts:
Its a pretty good pistol, nice when you whip it out and spam some guy to death or for a nice peekaboo charged shot.
The problem is that the weapon has no niche to fit in.
If I want spammy power within the ion pistols range, I'd much rather have the submachine gun. If I want a longer range precision sidearm, the scrambler pistol or bolt pistol are clearly superior.
The only thing thats unique about the gun is the charge shot, but since it overheats and does pretty mediocre damage, it leaves you too open, especially given the pistol's range that pretty much guarantees you have someone on your doorstep ready to smack you around while you are vulnerable.
Problems with the Ion Pistol:
Range - At 30 meters with no gradual drop-off afterward, this pistol will not do a damn thing past this range. This makes it a very poor precision sniping sidearm like the scrambler or bolt pistols. Any fitting that is looking to compensate for a short primary weapon range such as a shot-gunner or HMG user can keep looking, because the ion pistol does not fit the bill.
Charge Shot - The charge shot, while interesting, is poorly implemented on this gun, since its short range means any mistake at all will guarantee significant opening for the enemy for a rather weak damage output (credit where its due though, its very fun to head shot snipers from 5 meters away with). In addition to this the charge mechanic on the gun is extremely unforgiving and you can easily find yourself overheating while spam firing the weapon if you hold down your trigger too long during your firing (normally you can fire this weapon until clip is empty without any danger at all of overheat, but it is very easy to hold trigger too long while firing which can incrementally build up the heat surprisingly fast without contributing significant extra damage).
Overshadowed by SMG at all ranges - This is the most damning problem with the gun, in addition to being outperformed in the long range sidearm role by the bolt/scrambler, its is totally outclassed in short ranges by the SMG. The SMG tends to dump more damage and have much more stamina in a firefight, this makes the ion pistol look downright handicapped in comparison.
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Suggestions to fix the Ion Pistol:
Increase range to ~5-10m short of the scrambler pistol range (should end up at around 50-55 meters I think?), this will allow more strategic use of the charge shot at longer ranges, allow it to find a nice niche as a spammy pistol as a sidearm for short range primary weapons, etc.
Charge mechanic needs to be adjusted: at lower charged (less than 50% or so charge), the heat buildup should be much lower to make it less likely that you will accidentally overheat OR the damage ramp up needs to be increased so that less charged shots contribute significant damage. AND/OR in addition, fully charged shots should put heat to maximum value but NOT sieze the weapon, which will make it necessary to wait for heat dissipation or weapon switch, but not make it so you cant run away or defend yourself.
TL;DR:
The Ion Pistol is a decent weapon but is completely outclassed by other options, tweaking range and charge mechanics might help give this weapon a place in the game, but right now I'd rather have the SMG or one of the other pistols in 100% of circumstances. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:02:00 -
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Here's the thing, SMG is king, Scp still oversampled, Bolt is the most op thing with AA it should be removed, and the ion pistol follows the footsteps of the Ar
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
522
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:06:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Here's the thing, SMG is king, Scp still oversampled, Bolt is the most op thing with AA it should be removed, and the ion pistol follows the footsteps of the Ar
Not sure what you're trying to say, SMG, breach SCRP, bolt pistols are in a great place right now. I agree that Ion Pistol is following in the footsteps of the AR, in that it is being entirely overshadowed by other options until CCP decides to do something about it and make the gun not just usable but genuinely good at something.
Im proposing to make that niche mid-range (45-55m) accurate, good volume pistol fire. This gives it a kind of middle ground between the high rate of fire SMG and the lower rate of fire/higher damage pistols, with the addition of the charge shot to give it some interesting tactical options. |
Akekya Rah
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:15:00 -
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I hated this weapon until i got killed by it a few times and saw 1500~ damage. I thought WTH? A pistol doing that much damage. So I specced into it, and instantly fell in love. I agree it could use a small range buff, but other than that I think its in a good position. It's a weapon of opportunity, or a spammy last ditch effort. Either way I've found it to be a really good sidearm. |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2726
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:20:00 -
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Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
522
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:23:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them.
Bolt pistol and breach scrambler are pretty good bruh, why you so negative |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2726
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:26:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. Bolt pistol and breach scrambler are pretty good bruh, why you so negative
All the other ones suck tho.
Breaches are only alright because they can do so much alpha with headshots. Without Pistol headshots, they would suck too...
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
522
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:29:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. Bolt pistol and breach scrambler are pretty good bruh, why you so negative All the other ones suck tho. Breaches are only alright because they can do so much alpha with headshots. Without Pistol headshots, they would suck too...
Flaylock pistol is fine, SMG is great, boundless SMG is better, nova knives are fun and good, and the magsec could use a little work but would be fine if the SMG didnt exist to make it look terrible. |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2727
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:16:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. Bolt pistol and breach scrambler are pretty good bruh, why you so negative All the other ones suck tho. Breaches are only alright because they can do so much alpha with headshots. Without Pistol headshots, they would suck too... Flaylock pistol is fine, SMG is great, boundless SMG is better, nova knives are fun and good, and the magsec could use a little work but would be fine if the SMG didnt exist to make it look terrible.
Pretty much, yeah.
SMGs are fine, but they just male pretty much everything else seems pointless.
Bolt Pistols are good still, same with BrScPs. The headshots make them.
Flaylocks seems fine, overall. The do their job.
Nova Knives... they are good at what they do. They define a playstyle by themselves.
But Magsecs, Ion Pistols, and the other three Scrambler Pistols are just bad.
Magsecs can't do anything a Breach SMG could just do better, besides their range advantage, which isn't all that much really...
Ion Pistols and the other ScPs are just terribad at rediculous levels. The way Ratatti nerfed the ScPs and added in the IoP was the stupidest thing I've seen done in this game.
"Oh! We're adding in a **** sidearm! Let's nerf the other similar one to be **** as well!" "Balanced."
Their DPS is marginally better than the SMGs but have the same range and much less damage per magazine, on top of being semi auto/burst. They are also shield based, which just puts them into a bad place for sidearms in general. Even the Breach Scrambler is only useful by the skin of its teeth.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
9968
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:23:00 -
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Can I get an Assault Ion Pistol please?
As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
326
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:28:00 -
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I suck bad.. but i do do quite well with the ion pistol (As well as i do with other weapons i mean which is badly).
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2727
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:43:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Can I get an Assault Ion Pistol please?
Isn't the regular Ion Pistol already the Assault Variant by pistol standards?
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
664
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:24:00 -
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You know what would be awesome?
Range increase by charging. Charge up the gun and you get significant range, which allows you to snipe an enemy who's running away.
Meanwhile, spam shots would be perfect for close quarters.
It would be the ultimate melee sidearm, by turning an enemy's escape attempt into a suicide situation. |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1417
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:31:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:The only thing thats unique about the gun is the charge shot, but since it overheats and does pretty mediocre damage, it leaves you too open, especially given the pistol's range that pretty much guarantees you have someone on your doorstep ready to smack you around while you are vulnerable.
I...why?! The charged shot does somewhere around 700 damage. That's mediocre? It's essentially a pocket ScR, and you can either open with the charged shot for a strong beginning or play peekaboo and kill almost any not-heavy suit with the charge.
I can understand the overheat is punishing, but when you can one-shot many suits, it's a pretty fair trade. Not saying that the IP couldn't do with a little help (personally I think the dispersion could be a little tighter and the charge shaking when ADS is pretty extreme) but the charge shot is utterly brutal.
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
154
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:48:00 -
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When ever I get ambushed by reds, it's either this or the SG. Either way, I don't stand a chance unless their aim is abysmal.
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
523
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:21:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:The only thing thats unique about the gun is the charge shot, but since it overheats and does pretty mediocre damage, it leaves you too open, especially given the pistol's range that pretty much guarantees you have someone on your doorstep ready to smack you around while you are vulnerable. I...why?! The charged shot does somewhere around 700 damage. That's mediocre? It's essentially a pocket ScR, and you can either open with the charged shot for a strong beginning or play peekaboo and kill almost any not-heavy suit with the charge. I can understand the overheat is punishing, but when you can one-shot many suits, it's a pretty fair trade. Not saying that the IP couldn't do with a little help (personally I think the dispersion could be a little tighter and the charge shaking when ADS is pretty extreme) but the charge shot is utterly brutal.
700 damage with a headshot maybe, mine does around ~3-400 at most, assuming it hits, and the aim is alot less certain with alot more downside than, for instance, a bolt pistol, with alot less effective range. |
Tectonic Fusion
2351
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Posted - 2015.03.19 04:50:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them.
The scrambler pistols were at a good place until rattati. I'm talking about the most recent nerf where the assault scrambler pistol was good. Now breach is king.
(GIF)
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
154
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:51:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. The scrambler pistols were at a good place until rattati. I'm talking about the most recent nerf where the assault scrambler pistol was good. Now breach is king.
Before the other pistols arrived, my favorite was the Burst ScP (which now burns through all of its ammo faster than an SMG drains one clip, with a wider spread). Once the MagSec was added I switched to that mostly, and I returned to the Breach ScP when people were still complaining that ScPs all sucked. I mainly use ScP because it pairs well with my CR.
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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Tectonic Fusion
2351
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:10:00 -
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Finn Colman wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. The scrambler pistols were at a good place until rattati. I'm talking about the most recent nerf where the assault scrambler pistol was good. Now breach is king. Before the other pistols arrived, my favorite was the Burst ScP (which now burns through all of its ammo faster than an SMG drains one clip, with a wider spread). Once the MagSec was added I switched to that mostly, and I returned to the Breach ScP when people were still complaining that ScPs all sucked. I mainly use ScP because it pairs well with my CR.
What makes the breach so powerful is when you're in clutch situations, you can place your crosshair where the opponent will most likely end up, shoot his head, and prepare for the rest of the redberries.
(GIF)
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
155
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:21:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Finn Colman wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. The scrambler pistols were at a good place until rattati. I'm talking about the most recent nerf where the assault scrambler pistol was good. Now breach is king. Before the other pistols arrived, my favorite was the Burst ScP (which now burns through all of its ammo faster than an SMG drains one clip, with a wider spread). Once the MagSec was added I switched to that mostly, and I returned to the Breach ScP when people were still complaining that ScPs all sucked. I mainly use ScP because it pairs well with my CR. What makes the breach so powerful is when you're in clutch situations, you can place your crosshair where the opponent will most likely end up, shoot his head, and prepare for the rest of the redberries.
Yeah, the tight hip fire spread is why the only ScP I ever liked more was the Burst, but then the ScPs all got nerfed, and I think the Burst got the worst of it (though it was a bit too good to begin with).
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
100
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:41:00 -
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The only sidearm I like are the ScP's,smg and NK's. I can not use Ion pistols im too crappy with them
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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Lahut K'mar
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:57:00 -
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I like the Ion Pistol. Lately I've been using it as a sidearm to my Bolt Pistol and it works well. Good for just raging at someone when my BP runs dry. But then again, I guess the SMG or Assault Riffle would be better. I just like it because it's fun to use and I'm a hipster douchebag.
Sole Fenychs wrote:You know what would be awesome?
Range increase by charging. Charge up the gun and you get significant range, which allows you to snipe an enemy who's running away.
Meanwhile, spam shots would be perfect for close quarters.
It would be the ultimate melee sidearm, by turning an enemy's escape attempt into a suicide situation.
LISTEN TO THIS MAN
Plasma doesn't deal with atmosphere too well in the first place, but you could say that a hotter bolt survives longer and that the containment field is better charged. I dunno.
But what's important is that this could balance out the pistol. Maybe throw in a small damage buff too. It should outclass the SMG in terms of output at very close range.
Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic".
FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!
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Ralden Caster
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
156
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Posted - 2015.03.20 02:28:00 -
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Lahut K'mar wrote:I like the Ion Pistol. Lately I've been using it as a sidearm to my Bolt Pistol and it works well.
My pants are on fire.
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Lahut K'mar
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2015.03.20 07:01:00 -
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Ralden Caster wrote:Lahut K'mar wrote:I like the Ion Pistol. Lately I've been using it as a sidearm to my Bolt Pistol and it works well.
You heard me. Wanna fight about it, c+¦nt?
Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic".
FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
614
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Posted - 2015.04.17 04:18:00 -
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Quick reminder that the Ion Pistol still has no real place in the dust armory, please fix XD |
Banjo Robertson
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
534
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:23:00 -
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The only thing I think the ion pistol needs is to have the heat from a fully charged shot not cause the thing to over-heat and lock up, other than that I think everything else is fine. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8137
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:55:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:The only thing I think the ion pistol needs is to have the heat from a fully charged shot not cause the thing to over-heat and lock up, other than that I think everything else is fine.
This.
A thousand times this.
The goddamn thing locks every time I hold the trigger long enough for any portion of the charge meter to register.
AV
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2582
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:14:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Banjo Robertson wrote:The only thing I think the ion pistol needs is to have the heat from a fully charged shot not cause the thing to over-heat and lock up, other than that I think everything else is fine. This. A thousand times this. The goddamn thing locks every time I hold the trigger long enough for any portion of the charge meter to register.
The Ion Pistol overheats at half-charge or less which is really the problem I think. I think I'd actually be okay with getting rid of the shaking at max charge, overheating at anything less than >65% charge (IIRC damage scales with charge no matter what so yeah) and maaaaaybe even increasing the Io.P range based on charge as that actually sounds pretty nifty, I'd be worried about people only using it to snipe though.
I think the sieze upon firing a 'charged' shot does need to stay though.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
102
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:48:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:You know what would be awesome?
Range increase by charging. Charge up the gun and you get significant range, which allows you to snipe an enemy who's running away.
Meanwhile, spam shots would be perfect for close quarters.
It would be the ultimate melee sidearm, by turning an enemy's escape attempt into a suicide situation.
So you want a charged up Gallente Bolt Pistol...? Noted
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
618
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Posted - 2015.04.17 16:28:00 -
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I still think the base range needs to be improved up to just under scrambler pistol ranges, as long as this thing competes directly with the smg, its going to lose and be a poor choice of sidearm. |
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
174
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:25:00 -
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I swear, I saw so many of these on the death screen last time I played.
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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Lahut K'mar
sarges heros
New Eden's Heros
78
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Posted - 2015.05.25 11:29:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:Sole Fenychs wrote:You know what would be awesome?
Range increase by charging. Charge up the gun and you get significant range, which allows you to snipe an enemy who's running away.
Meanwhile, spam shots would be perfect for close quarters.
It would be the ultimate melee sidearm, by turning an enemy's escape attempt into a suicide situation. So you want a charged up Gallente Bolt Pistol...? Noted
Bolt Pistol:
vvrw POP! vvrw POP! vvrw POP! vvrw POP! click clack CLLICK
Ion Pistol:
PEW! PEW! PEW! bvvvVVRRR PEW! PKSHHHHHHHH
See? Big difference.
Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic".
FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.05.25 11:48:00 -
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I did like the Ion pistol when it first came out, but its outclassed in terms spamming shots by the SMG or the Magsec, reliability by the scrambler pistol, or raw damage by the bolt pistol.
The charge shot works great against low tier suits, but vs Adv and higher, its just not reliable enough. If the scrambler rifle siezed after every charge shot, the Amarr players would riot.
My suggestion would be to alow multiple charge shots before it siezes up. Having it overheat on the third charge seems fair.
Comparing the Pistolas to thier racial lore.
The bolt has 4 accurate sniped rounds, the long range caldari way.
The scrambler is reliable in terms of unrelenting, sustained damage. Amarr.
Flaylock, explosive hit and run, perfect for the minmatar.
the Ion is supossed to be a fearless beast in CQC, as the gallente are supposed to be. Instead its the opposite, "omg i had better land this one charged shot or i die'' Multiple hard hitting charge shots, now that would be useful. Its too reactionary, and that need to change.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.05.25 13:46:00 -
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Came here expecting a story how great ion pistol is - found an analysis which matches mine completely.
+1.
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
552
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Posted - 2015.05.25 15:26:00 -
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gall assault + IP.
=
**** you scouts and mediums.
the amount of times I have actually killed red dots with the IP is hilarious.
sharpshooter 5 and gall assault 5.
IP is a beast.........when you invest the sp to make it so 
also.......ever tried stacking complex sidearm mods and using its charged shot?
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:51:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Banjo Robertson wrote:The only thing I think the ion pistol needs is to have the heat from a fully charged shot not cause the thing to over-heat and lock up, other than that I think everything else is fine. This. A thousand times this. The goddamn thing locks every time I hold the trigger long enough for any portion of the charge meter to register. The Ion Pistol overheats at half-charge or less which is really the problem I think. I think I'd actually be okay with getting rid of the shaking at max charge, overheating at anything less than >65% charge (IIRC damage scales with charge no matter what so yeah) and maaaaaybe even increasing the Io.P range based on charge as that actually sounds pretty nifty, I'd be worried about people only using it to snipe though. I think the sieze upon firing a 'charged' shot does need to stay though.
If the Ion Pistol still seized up every shot I would want it to have more range as it increases in charge, if not. I want the instant seize gone replaced with appropriate heat buildup.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
627
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Posted - 2015.05.25 18:36:00 -
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It works really well with a Precision Enhancer so you can see anyone around the corner and charge headshot them.
We want cake and tea.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
738
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:13:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:gall assault + IP. = **** you scouts and mediums. the amount of times I have actually killed red dots with the IP is hilarious. sharpshooter 5 and gall assault 5. IP is a beast.........when you invest the sp to make it so also.......ever tried stacking complex sidearm mods and using its charged shot?
Why is it hilarious to you? When I murder people with the SMG or bolt pistol, it isnt hilarious, its just normal.
And I dont need to run my sidearm on the proper assault and invest 700k SP into the sharpshooter skills and equip sidearm damage mods to make other sidearms viable, they are viable right out of the gate. Also even after you invest all this crap for the Ion Pistol, its still a mediocre sidearm compared to the SMG and bolt pistols.
This is exactly what Im talking about here, why would anyone use this weapon when even the best case scenario for it cant even match up to a STD SMG with no skills and no damage mods? |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2015.05.25 21:32:00 -
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I consider it to be the short ranged ScR of side arms. Love it. Functions so closely the to the real thing however I agree with the current design of the weapon in that the charged shot causes the weapon to overheat.
It's a rather interesting and elegant solution to spamming charged shots repeatedly and the kind of mechanic I'd like to see on the Scrambler Rifle to prevent charged shot followed by rapid volleys. Not to mention with the capacity to charged shot it has quite the interesting little advantage over other side arms.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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