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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:58:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Kirk, You guys are hardly the only ones that have figured out to run shields. Most people simply prefer the better performance of armor.
Look around. How many people do you think are using armor versus shields?
How do you explain that without unnecessarily insulting their intelligence or playstyles?
Most players tend to favor armor playstyle because it is skewed toward the average non thinking player, and favors better players with more forgiveness. Armor is the run in chin down swing hard until they fall and that's what most people want (generalization). Not many people want the pick apart mid to long range hit and run coupled with using cover, because it isn't optimal for general purpose combat. Dust players as I have seen tend to try and fit the square peg in the round hole, then rather than choose the proper peg they shave the peg so it fits the whole.
True shield players are pleasantly annoying to fight, and I consider them niche artists in a crudely painted landscape.
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.03.17 19:16:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Please stop insulting people.
The reason people "swing hard until they fall" is because skirm/dom are games where you have to do that to win.
If I wanted to sit back and pick people off -- and lose -- I'd be a sniper.
You are no more intelligent or a thinking man's player than me, so please stop with the banter suggesting otherwise.
This game is about taking and holding points. Sitting back and picking people off at distance, but jumping behind cover everytime you take enemy fire, is a marginal role at best -- and that's precisely how you see them used.
Shield tanks simply don't have enough HP to do take/hold points effectively. Damage mods in highs also add to this challenge.
It's just that simple, IMO.
I was no more suggesting that I am better than anyone, nor was I labeling you or anyone else as unintelligent. Please try not to misread. What I was suggesting however, was that players tend to group towards playstyles that are more general purpose and forgiving rather than ones that take time to understand and that aren't necessarily more rewarding upon understanding. Armor tanked suits are brawlers suits, and Dust tends to favor brawlers over thinkers in most cases. It's in no way meant as an insult, it's a simple truth gained from 3 years of observation.
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.03.17 19:22:00 -
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Also by comparison, the few cases in which shield combat and long range warfare are actually effective at holding ground, they're highly effective. Cal assault with RR can essentially lock down wide open spaces between objectives with minimal manpower. It's just unfortunate that there aren't more situations like this available for those types of players.
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.03.17 19:26:00 -
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Tiny Pineapple wrote:As Leadfoot has repeated over and over, it's not the lack of intelligence in shield users but simply armor>shield. There's nothing more to it. Do you really believe that the average armor user is smarter than the average shield user? That the reason why shield isn't used as often is because people don't know how to?
And if that were true, why does 99% of everyone worth a damn in PC, who arguably know this game the best, never use a pure shield/regen fit?
Surely the pros would see the advantages of shield to armor in an objective based game, right? But they don't because shield has no advantage over armor in winning the match.
Well that's definitely not what I'm talking about. I personally think shield suits require more finesse and tactical awareness to run competitively and properly and don't necessarily give exponential returns for the extra work.
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.03.17 19:44:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Please stop insulting people.
The reason people "swing hard until they fall" is because skirm/dom are games where you have to do that to win.
If I wanted to sit back and pick people off -- and lose -- I'd be a sniper.
You are no more intelligent or a thinking man's player than me, so please stop with the banter suggesting otherwise.
This game is about taking and holding points. Sitting back and picking people off at distance, but jumping behind cover everytime you take enemy fire, is a marginal role at best -- and that's precisely how you see them used.
Shield tanks simply don't have enough HP to do take/hold points effectively. Damage mods in highs also add to this challenge.
It's just that simple, IMO. I was no more suggesting that I am better than anyone, nor was I labeling you or anyone else as unintelligent. Please try not to misread. What I was suggesting however, was that players tend to group towards playstyles that are more general purpose and forgiving rather than ones that take time to understand and that aren't necessarily more rewarding upon understanding. Armor tanked suits are brawlers suits, and Dust tends to favor brawlers over thinkers in most cases. It's in no way meant as an insult, it's a simple truth gained from 3 years of observation. You should consider substituting "attacks at distance" for "thinkers", lest others get the same idea. It takes no more thinking to run or fit one suit than it does the other. I get it, you run shields. You think it takes more intelligence/skill/dedication, and with your last post you've also added that the returns are minimal. But there's no reason to look down your nose at other play styles with pejoratives such as you have used -- it weakens your message and leads towards non-productive conversations like this. Regardless, I appreciate your response & thank you for it.
Actually all my suits are gallente... I have all Gallente suits and weapons proto. My alt was a Cal scout and logi, and I specced out of it into Amarr. I'm not championing shield players over armor, nor am I downplaying armor players in light of shields. I was merely stating that you can't tank a shield suit and forget it like you can armor, that's where the thinker comment comes in.
So no... you didn't get it.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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