I also think the AV guy should kinda deny the dropship, but the dropship should have the chance to jump in and shoot at the guy. But well I understand your point of view and it' completely legit
Also I forgot to say those changes are there to give the abilty to the pilot to have gunners without screwing up the rest of the fit

The big difference being that the AV gunner has a far greater array of cover, meaning that they aren't just standing in the open most of the time.


Most pilots are risk averse because vehicles in general have been, and still are, incredibly expensive. There have been periods where the cost has been justified (Chromosome, 1.7) but equally there have been times where the opposite is the case (1.4 Swarms and ADSs costing 600k+)

Also factoring in is that AV doesn't actually need to run full PRO to get full efficiency: a STD MinCom with Wiyrkomi and a STD CR will only run you about 50k ISK, whereas an entirely MLT fit ADS (aside from being trash) will run you about 260k ISK. Not to mention, trading down to ADV AV weaponry is viable as the 5% damage drop is entirely different to the vehicle turret drop of 10% (small turret damage progression is STD/+10% of STD/+20% of STD) making the lower tiers of investment far less worthwhile and arbitrarily inflating cost of operation.

So yes, different mindsets: one can afford to run their play style cheaply and remain relatively effective; the other must run higher end expensive fits or else underperform to the point of irrelevance while still suffering from empty wallet syndrome, which entirely prevents playing the game in the way they wish.

Just to let you know, incubi have been using complex 120 mm plates for a very long time. They are far from invincible. The same with heavy shield extenders for pythons. Juno puts a heavy shield extender on his incubus.

A bricked incubus has does have more armor HP than my ADV marduk, but only because rattati screwed up on the PG, forcing me to fit a complex PG upgrade just to have three adv modules and a adv turret. Tanks have 4 lows so with the extra slot my tank can fit a hardener, my incubus cant.

Dont be an ass, I tend to respect your views on V/AV but this was an unnecessary and bad point to nitpick.

I'm not saying they kill me all the time, but loosing one of my AI weapons on a minmando and having my focus on vehicles, just decreases my KDR considerably (not that I care about my crappy kdr anyway...).

My Idea is anyway, to give the derpship a warning signal, as soon as a swarmer is starting the lockon. This would give them enough prewarning, to engage hardners or get the frack out of my backyard. When I am in a good position, you should get out or be prepared to be given a rough time. And there are enough derpshippers who give me a hard time. If you don't, than you should train.

So lockon indicator instead of freckin' nerf is my solution to the problem.

Edit: but only for derpshippers, because tanks are basically not to kill without several AV guys if the driver knows what he's doing.

I been here a long time and never once seen that the engine was preventing lock-on warning for swarms. If it has been posted in multiple places can you find one saying so?