This looks a lot better, especially for light repairers. Currently, it not worth using anything below proto. It is a bit of a shame about the STD heavy rep, though I think either a change in coefficient would help or a decrease in CPU usage (it's main draw over the cplx light).

Overall, nothing seems to get screwed and most stuff gets a buff, I'm ok with this.

Looks good to me. Closes some gaps to stop it being PRO or go home.

This looks a lot better, especially for light repairers. Currently, it not worth using anything below proto.

Go fit up a basic vehicle with basic modules and watch it get whacked by proto in less than a clip.

The only reason it is 'go PRO or go home' is because AV hits like a nuclear missile so you want the best defences possible so you can survive and actually do something.

Go fit up a basic vehicle with basic modules and watch it get whacked by proto in less than a clip.

This is very true. I tried running some more interesting Python fits recently (damage mod, to see if that would help my 'waves of opportunity' at all) and a solo ADV Swarmer slapped me about like a rented mule.

Not worth the time or ISK spent.

This is very true. I tried running some more interesting Python fits recently (damage mod, to see if that would help my 'waves of opportunity' at all) and a solo ADV Swarmer slapped me about like a rented mule.

Not worth the time or ISK spent.

As it should be.

This is very true. I tried running some more interesting Python fits recently (damage mod, to see if that would help my 'waves of opportunity' at all) and a solo ADV Swarmer slapped me about like a rented mule.

Not worth the time or ISK spent.

Go fit up a basic vehicle with basic modules and watch it get whacked by proto in less than a clip.

Precisely why I wanted to take a look at the progression and brings things to a more linear fashion, which ultimately ended up as mostly a buff to lower tiered modules. If you feel it's not enough of a buff, let me know what you think the coefficient between tiers should be and I can bump it up and we can see what it looks like. It's currently 0.75 (except for Heavy Armor Reps which are 0.85). Large number means smaller difference between tiers.

EDIT: As a reference, added in differences in DPS between tiers of AV weapons. Most of the data was pulled from Protofits so if there is an error, I apologize. Regardless I think this may be partially the problem between tier differences in vehicle modules vs AV. Currently Vehicle tier differences are all over the place and fairly large (~60%-90%) whereas tiers between AV all sit neatly around the 90% mark.

In other words the difference between standard and proto for vehicle modules, is significantly larger than the difference between standard and proto AV. Now an oddity in this is of course Hardeners which are the same resistance across all tiers, however this means that the instantaneous eHP of a vehicle is entirely dependent upon its HP modules, and if those lower tiered modules are a larger difference than the lower tiered AV, you're going to see big differences in performance.

I've added a second tab which shows what HP modules would look like if they have matched tier progression to AV (90%)

Thoughts?

Pokey, these are very good numbers, and I like your progression quite a bit.

One other concern, that seems to have been brought up from Aeon on GD, is the issue of fitting on lower level tanks without max skills.

Basically the issue boils down to: If you have max tanking skills for fitting bonuses, you will have no issues fitting at all levels. However at basic / advanced levels, if you only have the skills to just be at those tiers than it becomes difficult to impossible to fit all basic modules.

In short to make basic tanks more viable to non-skilled pilots, or more specifically pilots who's skills are at a point where they can only reach up to basic, to allow them to more easily fit said modules. (In short, a player with all level 1 skills in vehicles, should be able to fit all basic to a basic tank with little issue)

Would you be able to also look at the CPU / PG costs of the modules per tier and see that they follow some coherent progression as well?

The difference between light and heavy needs to be fixed, there is no middle ground modules which i do think need to be put in, same with adding the 180mm plates back also.

Your 90% numbers now mean that the difference between a basic 120mm plate and a proto 120mm plate is 358 HP but yet the pro plate would require far more CPU and PG to fit for next to no difference. Uprising had 180mm pro plate at 3200HP with other variations being around 2700/2400 for the 180mm plates i think with 120mm pro plate being half of the 180mm. Base HP has been gutted to begin with and you need more HP now more than ever but also there does have to be an incentive to use a PRO plate and if the difference is minimal then what happens is players use the basic plate and take the PG/CPU savings and apply them to somewhere else. And yes, you don't want the difference between STD and PRO to be TOO small, but I think currently it's not very fair, particularly on the lower end of the tier ladder.

The hardeners i use PRO anyways but a difference between 10% can be too much even though in the past i may have proposed this, 5% could be more fairer starting with militia at 25% and PRO staying at 40%

I'd also be a fan of adding at least a small difference in tiers of hardeners, 30/35/40 seems reasonable to me.

Vehicle play was better in Chrome than it is now, thanks to people like you.

Maybe you should actually play the game and, *gasp* use a vehicle?!