This isn't really in CCP Rattati's wheelhouse. Rattati is all things DUST, but it's on other folks at CCP to handle communication regarding Project Legion.

This isn't really in CCP Rattati's wheelhouse. Rattati is all things DUST, but it's on other folks at CCP to handle communication regarding Project Legion.

CCP Rouge is "the guy". Though he's not much of a forum poster. Clearly.

We are continuing to regularly convey requests for more communication. Some of us on the CPM will be meeting with some folks in person this week in Iceland.

Good to hear, the previous legion PR event was taken very poorly and CCP seem to have tried to solve it by removing all PR to do with legion but I honestly dont see how that's solving anything. transparency between games dev's and their player base has been a proven trait of every successful game in the base few years.

CCP desperately needs to develop that aspect of their buisness.

CCP is likely very focused on Valkyrie at the moment. They desperately need a success, given that Eve really isn't growing, and will likely be losing accounts here in a more permanent fashion going forward.

Legion, I assume, is taking a back seat to Valkyrie, and may quite possibly depend on the success of Valkyrie. This is why you aren't hearing anything - Legion is in coast mode if anything right now.

They could do a whole lot more and just rebuild eve from the ground up while doing valkyrie, CCP's approach to catering for the pro hardcore gamer and completely disregarding the casual player is why their game is losing players, If eve was turned into a free to play MMO with fair microtransactions and they started caring about growing the playerbase from the start then CCP would have all the money they would need to produce valkyrie and legion at the same time.

They've allways been running their game as a low investment low return business model. which i've allways found ridiculous as they've practically a monopoly on the space age MMO genre

This isn't really in CCP Rattati's wheelhouse. Rattati is all things DUST, but it's on other folks at CCP to handle communication regarding Project Legion.

The problem with that is if they rebuild EVE, and they fail at delivering something that attracts lots of new players. And at the same time leaving their hardcore fans behind, it'll be their end.

The problem with that is if they rebuild EVE, and they fail at delivering something that attracts lots of new players. And at the same time leaving their hardcore fans behind, it'll be their end.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the problem.

Let's keep in mind two things: 1) CCP is notoriously slow at development, and even then, often has to scrap and start over on projects. 2) They tried to expand Eve with WiS, but due to #1 and the hardcore Spaceships uber alles crowd, this didn't go well, and they basically scrapped WiS.

their slow because their small, their small because they don't want to splash out more money.
for gods sake their running an MMO company, if you want to expand an MMO and get millions of players you employ more then 25 people to a team at a time

CCP has a staff of around 300 employees. That's not all that small.

that's REALLY small dude. other games in the MMO buisness employ well over 5,000 people.

how many of those 300 people work on eve?

on dust?
what about customer relations, finance, accountants??

valkyrie's team is 25 people and that's CCP's next big thing.

they have too many customers to satisfy and not enough employs. and the players are the ones making the story in eve. they don't even need to employ writers for events.

5000 people? lol, not even Wow has that many. (All of Blizzard Activision is only 7000 employees, that's for everything they make)

Just for reference, Star Citizen has about 300 employees working on it. They manage to develop maybe 10 or 20 times faster than CCP.

300 employees isn't small for MMOs.

we can only conclude from your statement then that CCP employs a lot of inept people?

other company's have more control over their game environment, spend more time micromanaging gameplay and have to create large quantity of in game events/content to keep their players happy.

how then can CCP do less of these things due to the nature of their game but not have the time to outproduce their competitors? what are they all doing?

I don't know what they're doing but what I said is true:

They are slow to produce content, and have to make many revisions even still.
They're hard core fanbase prevents, to some degree, meaningful advancement of the game (EvE).

They aren't small by employee count in the MMO sphere.

Seems CCP actually have around 600 employees in total.

Perhaps their games progression design has leaked over into their working habits or the fact that they don't have a main competitor when it comes to eve. (only other space based MMO I can think of is star trek online) maybe their just lazy

See the way I look at it is that its not their game that's driving new players away its their complete neglect of catering to new players that's their problem. they have a large scale space MMO and nowhere for the new players to fit they just get dropped in the deep end with all the other big fish. where's the tutorial and beginning areas of the game? areas new players can flourish but older players don't bother with because they don't have anything of value.

Well, this is indeed a factor. I'd like to point out though, that CCP has tried to revamp the new player experience in Eve many times over the last few years, and each time they seem to come up short IMHO. This is what I mean by CCP developing slowly and yet, still having to do repeat revisions to get things right, or better.

although this post is derailing, I think it's nice to keep in mind that whatever size team is developing (or not, for that matter) project Legion, don't expect anything for another 2 years at least... I think it took them a full 4 years to release Dust (with the Shanghai studio commandeered for a year to help with EVE), so lets be optimistic and say 3 years. If they re-use all the assets, hoping they made hi-res versions of everything... then you could shave off some of the asset development but lets say you're looking at a miraculous 2 year development cycle, which is really, really pushing it.

There seems to be some collective amnesia on the forums in general of what exactly happened and its implications. If there is a new game in the making, it doesn't really matter, you won't be able to play it for at least another year (under the most miraculous development conditions)...

Having said that - some news would be nice. It would inspire people to stick around I think.

it doesn't really matter, you won't be able to play it for at least another year

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the problem.

Let's keep in mind two things: 1) CCP is notoriously slow at development, and even then, often has to scrap and start over on projects. 2) They tried to expand Eve with WiS, but due to #1 and the hardcore Spaceships uber alles crowd, this didn't go well, and they basically scrapped WiS.

Assets design should be reused but not the actual files, they need to be redone. assets can be pumped out quickly upon release of the game if they just hired more staff

The best thing they could do is just deliver us planets and "Lego" parts, and just let players - Legion and EVE alike - build up fortresses and industrial complexes just like we build already factories and towers in EVE.

That would be totally awesome.

No need to make all planets viable for this, as it would be very hard to keep them all running, but 1 planet by key location would be nice. Fewer, and bigger planets, allowing for ground control like planetside does.

Dust is dead now and only getting worse, they should shut down further development on dust and get Legion done as fast as they can.

I disagree, most of the work they are doing on Dust should be able to easily transfer to Legion should they go in that direction. Artwork, balance issues, equipment etc.