DUST Search - Dropsuit tiericide. Could it happend?

Bright Cloud wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Bright Cloud wrote:

You can allready see that the HAV tiericide works out like a charm. I barely see proto tanks cause STD/ADV are actually viable choices. Do the exact same thing with the dropsuits. Give STD/ADV the slot layouts from all the proto suits and dont touch PG/CPU. Just look how it works out with the tanks, on STD most of your modules are STD and on ADV/PRO tanks you can squeeze out more performance but it is not gamebreaking.

Ofcourse in PC matches proto will still be mandatory cause there every little number matters. Which is just normal on a professional lvl of gaming.

At this time, there is no point in using proto tanks..even in pc. Only advantage may be ability to use a complex mod over a basic or enhanced. But an adv tank could go toe-to-toe with a proto tank just as well as another proto tank.

If dropsuits were the same way, there would be no reason to use proto suits.

Edit: well vehicle and dropsuit mods work differently. Higher level vehicle mods only gives you a bonus in cooldown, generally. There are few exceptions like dmg mods, extenders, etc.

I see the point in this suggestion but don't see the point at the same time. I mean, why not just get rid of the tiers as a whole? Whyh not just make one level of dropsuits and call it a day? If people want std and mlt suits to be just as good as a proto suit, then remove the different levels of suits from the game.

The reason is you could still run full proto on proto suits which would result in more damage, HP, mobility, range etc. Proto suits should not mob the floor with every 1 who isnt using proto. Ofcourse you still have a advantage over people that run only STD but the gap would be smaller and you would have more fitting freedom. Like for example you could have a proto gun on the STD suit but you would have to use a PG/CPU mod in a lowslot to accomplish this while with a higher tier suit you could just use a plate/repper/speed module.

FPS games need to be focused around fairness and not around who can spend more ISK/AUR. That is a crucial point which successfull FPS must follow.

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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 879	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote We all whitnessed now that tiericide happend with HAV's (same slots from STD to PRO but with different PG/CPU). So im wondering if this could aswell happend with all dropsuits in the game. Just think about it for example you have a caldari assault at standard but you have access to 5 highs and 3 lows but your PG/CPU doesnt change. This would make newbies tougher to kill and there would be a reason to use PG/CPU modules. Plus STD suits would get a bit more expensive which is good for pub payouts. Remember you only gain more slots on STD/ADV but not PG/CPU. Rattati did a amazing job with HAV's where a standard tank can very well go up to a full proto tank and win the fight. In my opinion its about time that this happends for Dropsuits. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 41	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:21:00 - [2] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: We all whitnessed now that tiericide happend with HAV's (same slots from STD to PRO but with different PG/CPU). So im wondering if this could aswell happend with all dropsuits in the game. Just think about it for example you have a caldari assault at standard but you have access to 5 highs and 3 lows but your PG/CPU doesnt change. This would make newbies tougher to kill and there would be a reason to use PG/CPU modules. Plus STD suits would get a bit more expensive which is good for pub payouts. Remember you only gain more slots on STD/ADV but not PG/CPU. Rattati did a amazing job with HAV's where a standard tank can very well go up to a full proto tank and win the fight. In my opinion its about time that this happends for Dropsuits. im all for it but it does bring up concerns
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5941	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:38:00 - [3] - Quote I'm down for it (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 506	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:40:00 - [4] - Quote I'm down more power to the nubs +1 Caldari Loyalist. buff swarms... D
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 705	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:43:00 - [5] - Quote Apex would be like a basic suit in this model then? Sounds like we could try it for a bit. BPOs as basic suits but with proto slots, nice. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Drogan Reeth duna corp 89	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:49:00 - [6] - Quote I like the idea but as has been stated it brings up some concerns. What do you do for the people who paid hundreds of real dollars for apex suits and now basically end up with basic suits with basic mods.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5941	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:54:00 - [7] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: I like the idea but as has been stated it brings up some concerns. What do you do for the people who paid hundreds of real dollars for apex suits and now basically end up with basic suits with basic mods. Sucks for them (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3361	Posted - 2015.03.15 17:02:00 - [8] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: I like the idea but as has been stated it brings up some concerns. What do you do for the people who paid hundreds of real dollars for apex suits and now basically end up with basic suits with basic mods. "The suits mods are now BPO's that can be removed and fit separately." Ehh, in some way or another we are all going to be screwed when it comes to this game. If Legion doesn't come out or the game make a progression to a different system, the game is never going to arise from this coma. When Legion comes out, every suit is supposed to be a BPO so those people are already getting screwed. Hell, if SP doesn't transfer than people who paid for boosters to have 40+ million SP are getting screwed. So there will be some way that we are screwed. It is just a matter if the screw is this or this. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6698	Posted - 2015.03.15 17:03:00 - [9] - Quote Not going to happen. Why? Because tanks now have tiers.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9414	Posted - 2015.03.15 18:47:00 - [10] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Not going to happen. Why? Because tanks now have tiers. You can have tiericide while still having tiers. The idea is all tiers have the same slot configurations, just different CPU/PG. Personally I'd love this, slots allow for more personalized fitting while CPU/PG dictate tiers. Especially useful for logis being able to carry 4 equipment (albiet standard equipment), and Amarr logi being able to start out with 3 (because how can carrying two equipment really be called a logi? ) Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

First Prophet Nos Nothi 2573	Posted - 2015.03.15 19:08:00 - [11] - Quote I personally want super tiericide. Remove STD and ADV suits, make the PRO suits the only variant of its kind, and Buff MLT suits to ADV levels. But I'm crazy. People find this this review helpful!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 884	Posted - 2015.03.15 19:28:00 - [12] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: I like the idea but as has been stated it brings up some concerns. What do you do for the people who paid hundreds of real dollars for apex suits and now basically end up with basic suits with basic mods. They payd to have a 100% free suit. The modules, equipment, weapons and the suit itself are infinite. And you need 0 SP to use them cause they have 999PG and 999CPU so they dont need core skills like engineering or electronics. And whats your point? That we could make a STD suit with all standard stuff for ISK? Is that really your concern? Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3820	Posted - 2015.03.15 19:42:00 - [13] - Quote Problem with Rattati's new vehicle plan is that it kind of makes proto tanks useless, right? I mean, if a STD tank has the same ability to destroy your proto tank at 1/3 the ISK cost..then what's the point in using a proto tank? I think that the higher levels should have some advantage over the lower levels. Last build, the difference was more apparent. STD tank would more than likely smoke MLT tanks. And that should be fine with everyone since the person has used weeks of sp to get there and more ISK at risk. I mean, it's logical, right?.....Would you give a man that has 2 years of exp and high school training over a man with 4 years of exp and a graduate's degree? With dropsuits.....adv suits are more than capable of being competitive with a proto suit. For the most part, people use other mods instead of hp mods with the extra slots alloted to proto suits. So, they're usually around the same amount of total hp. I've seen adv suits with more hp than some of my fav pub proto suits. A STD heavy suit would wreck any proto suit in other classes. People should aspire to use better gear and get better instead of nerfing proto suits all the time. MLT suits should get shredded by other suits..they are the cheapest fits. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1862	Posted - 2015.03.15 19:43:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Joel II X wrote: Not going to happen. Why? Because tanks now have tiers. You can have tiericide while still having tiers. The idea is all tiers have the same slot configurations, just different CPU/PG. Personally I'd love this, slots allow for more personalized fitting while CPU/PG dictate tiers. Especially useful for logis being able to carry 4 equipment (albiet standard equipment), and Amarr logi being able to start out with 3 (because how can carrying two equipment really be called a logi? ) Even though tiers are soft they are still tiers. Previously we had two tiers, now we have four. If something is just plain and simply better than lower tier version, that is an example of bad tier. The needs to be some battlefield drawback - and isk cost is not that! Even a miniscule one like being slightly slower or physically larger hull. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:05:00 - [15] - Quote if we had 1 more medium and heavy spec frame and 2 extra light spec frames maybe Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2408	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:15:00 - [16] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: I like the idea but as has been stated it brings up some concerns. What do you do for the people who paid hundreds of real dollars for apex suits and now basically end up with basic suits with basic mods. You would then be able to unlimit the fitting restriction, and balance it as a regular Basic BPO, the reasoning for the still higher price is the fact it comes prefitted. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
The Eristic Dust 90210 833	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:20:00 - [17] - Quote I would've opposed this a couple years ago, but I've been coming around to it more and more lately and agree that it would probably be a net positive at this point. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12149	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:22:00 - [18] - Quote I support Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18893	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:23:00 - [19] - Quote The model HAV have is a light version of teiricide. it is to demonstrate the concept of progression through fitting instead of slots. If this works out well we can argue the same be done for suits. Remember teiricide not the only theat against bpos as rattatis paint module will be tossing alot of things out the window. Hardcore teiricide would gethe rid of the three tears on platforms all together leaving one platform per role and letting skills pionts, combat skills, and fitting knowledge dominate the power of any platform rather than just being better CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:30:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The model HAV have is a light version of teiricide. it is to demonstrate the concept of progression through fitting instead of slots. If this works out well we can argue the same be done for suits. Remember teiricide not the only theat against bpos as rattatis paint module will be tossing alot of things out the window. Hardcore teiricide would gethe rid of the three tears on platforms all together leaving one platform per role and letting skills pionts, combat skills, and fitting knowledge dominate the power of any platform rather than just being better so for example the prototype assault, logi + another as yet to be made medium frame under 1 skill? Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11153	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:32:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The model HAV have is a light version of teiricide. it is to demonstrate the concept of progression through fitting instead of slots. If this works out well we can argue the same be done for suits. Remember teiricide not the only theat against bpos as rattatis paint module will be tossing alot of things out the window. Hardcore teiricide would gethe rid of the three tears on platforms all together leaving one platform per role and letting skills pionts, combat skills, and fitting knowledge dominate the power of any platform rather than just being better Which would present a major problem for APEX BPOs (and their faction variants) if the hardcore version of tiericide was implemented. If the hardcore tiericide was implemented, the APEX BPOs and their equivalents would need to be adjusted to compensate. Remember, people bought these things because they are prototype suits with basic modules, equipment, and weapons. If fitting knowledge, skill points, and combat skills because the principle factors of any platform and APEX suits are reduced to the same tier as other suits, what change would be possible to compensate the owners of the APEX (and faction) BPOs so they wouldn't feel cheated and still like the BPOs they have? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2581	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:35:00 - [22] - Quote Hardcore tiericide please. Do it fast and hard. People find this this review helpful!
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:40:00 - [23] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The model HAV have is a light version of teiricide. it is to demonstrate the concept of progression through fitting instead of slots. If this works out well we can argue the same be done for suits. Remember teiricide not the only theat against bpos as rattatis paint module will be tossing alot of things out the window. Hardcore teiricide would gethe rid of the three tears on platforms all together leaving one platform per role and letting skills pionts, combat skills, and fitting knowledge dominate the power of any platform rather than just being better Which would present a major problem for APEX BPOs (and their faction variants) if the hardcore version of tiericide was implemented. If the hardcore tiericide was implemented, the APEX BPOs and their equivalents would need to be adjusted to compensate. Remember, people bought these things because they are prototype suits with basic modules, equipment, and weapons. If fitting knowledge, skill points, and combat skills because the principle factors of any platform and APEX suits are reduced to the same tier as other suits, what change would be possible to compensate the owners of the APEX (and faction) BPOs so they wouldn't feel cheated and still like the BPOs they have? change them back to being hp focused free proto suits, if i remember right the amarr assault was nearly 900ehp before the moaners chimed in Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11153	Posted - 2015.03.15 23:52:00 - [24] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The model HAV have is a light version of teiricide. it is to demonstrate the concept of progression through fitting instead of slots. If this works out well we can argue the same be done for suits. Remember teiricide not the only theat against bpos as rattatis paint module will be tossing alot of things out the window. Hardcore teiricide would gethe rid of the three tears on platforms all together leaving one platform per role and letting skills pionts, combat skills, and fitting knowledge dominate the power of any platform rather than just being better Which would present a major problem for APEX BPOs (and their faction variants) if the hardcore version of tiericide was implemented. If the hardcore tiericide was implemented, the APEX BPOs and their equivalents would need to be adjusted to compensate. Remember, people bought these things because they are prototype suits with basic modules, equipment, and weapons. If fitting knowledge, skill points, and combat skills because the principle factors of any platform and APEX suits are reduced to the same tier as other suits, what change would be possible to compensate the owners of the APEX (and faction) BPOs so they wouldn't feel cheated and still like the BPOs they have? change them back to being hp focused free proto suits, if i remember right the amarr assault was nearly 900ehp before the moaners chimed in But you're basing that argument off of one suit with a specific role compared to other APEX suits with different roles. Also, scouts are not HP focused. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2015.03.16 00:02:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The model HAV have is a light version of teiricide. it is to demonstrate the concept of progression through fitting instead of slots. If this works out well we can argue the same be done for suits. Remember teiricide not the only theat against bpos as rattatis paint module will be tossing alot of things out the window. Hardcore teiricide would gethe rid of the three tears on platforms all together leaving one platform per role and letting skills pionts, combat skills, and fitting knowledge dominate the power of any platform rather than just being better Which would present a major problem for APEX BPOs (and their faction variants) if the hardcore version of tiericide was implemented. If the hardcore tiericide was implemented, the APEX BPOs and their equivalents would need to be adjusted to compensate. Remember, people bought these things because they are prototype suits with basic modules, equipment, and weapons. If fitting knowledge, skill points, and combat skills because the principle factors of any platform and APEX suits are reduced to the same tier as other suits, what change would be possible to compensate the owners of the APEX (and faction) BPOs so they wouldn't feel cheated and still like the BPOs they have? change them back to being hp focused free proto suits, if i remember right the amarr assault was nearly 900ehp before the moaners chimed in But you're basing that argument off of one suit with a specific role compared to other APEX suits with different roles. Also, scouts are not HP focused. true, but at the moment there is only 1 type of light frame Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18897	Posted - 2015.03.16 00:17:00 - [26] - Quote who knows maybe the paint bucket system can impose a prefitting as well with it. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 889	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:04:00 - [27] - Quote You can allready see that the HAV tiericide works out like a charm. I barely see proto tanks cause STD/ADV are actually viable choices. Do the exact same thing with the dropsuits. Give STD/ADV the slot layouts from all the proto suits and dont touch PG/CPU. Just look how it works out with the tanks, on STD most of your modules are STD and on ADV/PRO tanks you can squeeze out more performance but it is not gamebreaking. Ofcourse in PC matches proto will still be mandatory cause there every little number matters. Which is just normal on a professional lvl of gaming. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3822	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:52:00 - [28] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: You can allready see that the HAV tiericide works out like a charm. I barely see proto tanks cause STD/ADV are actually viable choices. Do the exact same thing with the dropsuits. Give STD/ADV the slot layouts from all the proto suits and dont touch PG/CPU. Just look how it works out with the tanks, on STD most of your modules are STD and on ADV/PRO tanks you can squeeze out more performance but it is not gamebreaking. Ofcourse in PC matches proto will still be mandatory cause there every little number matters. Which is just normal on a professional lvl of gaming. At this time, there is no point in using proto tanks..even in pc. Only advantage may be ability to use a complex mod over a basic or enhanced. But an adv tank could go toe-to-toe with a proto tank just as well as another proto tank. If dropsuits were the same way, there would be no reason to use proto suits. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 891	Posted - 2015.03.16 04:25:00 - [29] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: You can allready see that the HAV tiericide works out like a charm. I barely see proto tanks cause STD/ADV are actually viable choices. Do the exact same thing with the dropsuits. Give STD/ADV the slot layouts from all the proto suits and dont touch PG/CPU. Just look how it works out with the tanks, on STD most of your modules are STD and on ADV/PRO tanks you can squeeze out more performance but it is not gamebreaking. Ofcourse in PC matches proto will still be mandatory cause there every little number matters. Which is just normal on a professional lvl of gaming. At this time, there is no point in using proto tanks..even in pc. Only advantage may be ability to use a complex mod over a basic or enhanced. But an adv tank could go toe-to-toe with a proto tank just as well as another proto tank. If dropsuits were the same way, there would be no reason to use proto suits. Edit: well vehicle and dropsuit mods work differently. Higher level vehicle mods only gives you a bonus in cooldown, generally. There are few exceptions like dmg mods, extenders, etc. I see the point in this suggestion but don't see the point at the same time. I mean, why not just get rid of the tiers as a whole? Whyh not just make one level of dropsuits and call it a day? If people want std and mlt suits to be just as good as a proto suit, then remove the different levels of suits from the game. The reason is you could still run full proto on proto suits which would result in more damage, HP, mobility, range etc. Proto suits should not mob the floor with every 1 who isnt using proto. Ofcourse you still have a advantage over people that run only STD but the gap would be smaller and you would have more fitting freedom. Like for example you could have a proto gun on the STD suit but you would have to use a PG/CPU mod in a lowslot to accomplish this while with a higher tier suit you could just use a plate/repper/speed module. FPS games need to be focused around fairness and not around who can spend more ISK/AUR. That is a crucial point which successfull FPS must follow. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3822	Posted - 2015.03.16 04:39:00 - [30] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: You can allready see that the HAV tiericide works out like a charm. I barely see proto tanks cause STD/ADV are actually viable choices. Do the exact same thing with the dropsuits. Give STD/ADV the slot layouts from all the proto suits and dont touch PG/CPU. Just look how it works out with the tanks, on STD most of your modules are STD and on ADV/PRO tanks you can squeeze out more performance but it is not gamebreaking. Ofcourse in PC matches proto will still be mandatory cause there every little number matters. Which is just normal on a professional lvl of gaming. At this time, there is no point in using proto tanks..even in pc. Only advantage may be ability to use a complex mod over a basic or enhanced. But an adv tank could go toe-to-toe with a proto tank just as well as another proto tank. If dropsuits were the same way, there would be no reason to use proto suits. Edit: well vehicle and dropsuit mods work differently. Higher level vehicle mods only gives you a bonus in cooldown, generally. There are few exceptions like dmg mods, extenders, etc. I see the point in this suggestion but don't see the point at the same time. I mean, why not just get rid of the tiers as a whole? Whyh not just make one level of dropsuits and call it a day? If people want std and mlt suits to be just as good as a proto suit, then remove the different levels of suits from the game. The reason is you could still run full proto on proto suits which would result in more damage, HP, mobility, range etc. Proto suits should not mob the floor with every 1 who isnt using proto. Ofcourse you still have a advantage over people that run only STD but the gap would be smaller and you would have more fitting freedom. Like for example you could have a proto gun on the STD suit but you would have to use a PG/CPU mod in a lowslot to accomplish this while with a higher tier suit you could just use a plate/repper/speed module. FPS games need to be focused around fairness and not around who can spend more ISK/AUR. That is a crucial point which successfull FPS must follow. And I've been told by so many on this forum that dust isn't like any other shooter. The one thing about Dust that makes it all fair is that you can have the same gear that anyone else in the game has. I remember MAG where you could only have the weapons that comes with your faction. Hated that the best AR was in another faction and I couldn't use it when I wanted to. You can get an adv suit within the first week that you play and be able to compete. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here



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