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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.15 13:35:00 -
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They are not prototype tanks, you are killing basic++
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 12:55:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They are not prototype tanks, you are killing basic++
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they ARE proto tanks :P they have the icon and naming scheme CK.0 / GK.0 for once they arnt specialised tanks and are actual proto tanks
Compare them to basic and advanaced and prototype basic dropsuits.
Do they both increase in PG/CPU? Yes
Do they both get a increase in slot layout? No, vehicles do not
Why does the basic HAV skill cost a x8 when basic dropsuits are a x4?
Just because it is called CK.0 does not make it proto
If a dog is born in a stable does that make it a horse?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:15:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They are not prototype tanks, you are killing basic++
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they ARE proto tanks :P they have the icon and naming scheme CK.0 / GK.0 for once they arnt specialised tanks and are actual proto tanks Compare them to basic and advanaced and prototype basic dropsuits. Do they both increase in PG/CPU? Yes Do they both get a increase in slot layout? No, vehicles do not Why does the basic HAV skill cost a x8 when basic dropsuits are a x4? Just because it is called CK.0 does not make it proto If a dog is born in a stable does that make it a horse? Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Idealy dropsuits would conform to the new standard set by tanks, not the other way around. also that was a terrible argument. the name scheme and the gold market marking DO in fact make it proto reguardless of where the tank was born. a CV.0 gunnlogi is a standard++ tank in the same way a CK.0 assault is a standard ++ dropsuit.
Wrong
Dropsuits havn't changed one bit, vehicles have been classed as 'tiercided' all this time yet dropsuits havn't changed once.
A CV.0 Gunnlogi is basic++ but a CK.0 Assault is a specialized class plus for an x8 skill the assault class has bonuses attached to it.
The basic++ Gunnlogi does not improve in slot layout and all other prototype dropsuits in the game do.
Once again a dog born in a stable does not make it a horse no matter how hard you try, just because a HAV has a 0 at the end of it name does not make it a prototype.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:30:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Once again a dog (proto tank) born in a stable(with the same slot layout as standard) does not make it a horse (standard tank) no matter how hard you try.
change to a different argument.
you also literally picked the ONE difference out of the MANY similarities to base your entire argument around.
if we are going by weight we have
for proto:
same name scheme as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
same market icons as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
increase in CPU/PG as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
CCP named it as prototype gear
for standard++
no increase in slot layout past militia
by that argument the minmatar basic medium frame MK.0 proto suit isnt prototype as well due to it having less fitting slots than the MK.0 assault and also falls into the catagory of standard ++ (or at least is closer to standard++ than prototype in a world where you are correct)
MK.0 basic frame prototype suit increases in PG/CPU and slot layout when compared to the standard basic frame so it is prototype.
The HAV does not increase in slot layout other suits do.
It is not prototype.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:43:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Once again a dog (proto tank) born in a stable(with the same slot layout as standard) does not make it a horse (standard tank) no matter how hard you try.
change to a different argument.
you also literally picked the ONE difference out of the MANY similarities to base your entire argument around.
if we are going by weight we have
for proto:
same name scheme as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
same market icons as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
increase in CPU/PG as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
CCP named it as prototype gear
for standard++
no increase in slot layout past militia
by that argument the minmatar basic medium frame MK.0 proto suit isnt prototype as well due to it having less fitting slots than the MK.0 assault and also falls into the catagory of standard ++ (or at least is closer to standard++ than prototype in a world where you are correct) MK.0 basic frame prototype suit increases in PG/CPU and slot layout when compared to the standard basic frame so it is prototype. The HAV does not increase in slot layout same as any other suit. It is not prototype. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Its reached the point where you are not expanding your explanation of your position not countering my arguments not even referancing my arguments on anything but a superficial level now your just simply repeating your position endlessly like a mantra, not expanding, explaining, or reinforcing your position in any way, while at the same time not even attempting to adress my positions. Simply stating something over and over again does not make it true, one must actually provide evidence to suppport said argument and act to defend it when said argument and evidence is challenged. this debate has reached its final resting place, as it apears that you no longer have anything additional to add to the discussion. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is a well reasoned argument and is related to DUST514
I countered your tiercide argument.
I countered your MK.0 assault and basic suit argument.
Just because something has the same icon does not make it prototype when the actual stats of the hull does not follow the prototype standard which is more PG/CPU and an increased slot layout for ever tier you go up.
Prototype increase in PG/CPU and slot layout, that defines if it is prototype or not, it needs to have the whole package not bits and pieces.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:50:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: it needs to have the whole package not bits and pieces.
please provide evidence to support that the above claim is true
Do HAVs increase in slot layout as you go up tiers?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:17:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: it needs to have the whole package not bits and pieces.
please provide evidence to support that the above claim is true Do HAVs increase in slot layout as you go up tiers? you may not use your argument as evidence that your argument is true, its like deviding by zero without using calculas, it just doesnt work. its also the same as saying "unicorns exsist because a unicorn told me so"
Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slot layout.
Now do vehicles increase in slot layout as you go up tiers?
It is a simple question, yes or no.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:54:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:in short
please PROVE that not having an increasing number of slots from basic to pro means that it isnt proto.
Already proved it.
Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slots, vehicles do not.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 15:08:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:in short
please PROVE that not having an increasing number of slots from basic to pro means that it isnt proto. Already proved it. Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slots, vehicles do not. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 that just proves dropsuits have different slot layouts per tier, it does NOT mean that the proto tank isnt a proto tank becuase it doesnt follow that pattern.
Nope
All suits increase in slots from tier to tier.
Prototype has followed this method for years now with dropsuits.
Vehicles have always been left behind, only the Sagaris and Surya could be called advanced but they required the Marauder skill to be trained and had an extra slot and HP over the standard HAV since they were specalized so really would they be a standard level vehicle in a specalized class?
Vehicles are tiercided and with tiercide there is no basic/advanced and prototype supposedly yet they keep tiercide and just duplicate a vehicle another 2 times with more PG/CPU and slap on adv/pro on the hulls with a gold X and 0 at the end.
When i deploy a Madrugar GA.0 i know it is not prototype.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2015.03.16 15:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:in short
please PROVE that not having an increasing number of slots from basic to pro means that it isnt proto. Already proved it. Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slots, vehicles do not. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 that just proves dropsuits have different slot layouts per tier, it does NOT mean that the proto tank isnt a proto tank becuase it doesnt follow that pattern. Nope All suits increase in slots from tier to tier. Prototype has followed this method for years now with dropsuits. Vehicles have always been left behind, only the Sagaris and Surya could be called advanced but they required the Marauder skill to be trained and had an extra slot and HP over the standard HAV since they were specalized so really would they be a standard level vehicle in a specalized class? Vehicles are tiercided and with tiercide there is no basic/advanced and prototype supposedly yet they keep tiercide and just duplicate a vehicle another 2 times with more PG/CPU and slap on adv/pro on the hulls with a gold X and 0 at the end. When i deploy a Madrugar GA.0 i know it is not prototype. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 ASSUMING YOU ARE CORRECT (wich you have not proven....) that makes the gunnlogi Cv-1 a prototype - - tank due to slot layout rather than the gunnlogi Cv.0 a standard++
Prototype has the best slot layout of all suits.
Vehicles do not follow this rule.
But if you want to keep calling a dog a horse keep going.
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