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Posted - 2015.03.15 13:26:00 -
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Ive been killing proto tanks all day long in my 500k tank :P poor guys wernt around in chrome where position was everything and you died in 3 hits :P
ill give you a hint
position + sica + dmg mods = dead proto tanks everywhere....
just flank and spank
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Posted - 2015.03.15 13:38:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They are not prototype tanks, you are killing basic++
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they ARE proto tanks :P
they have the icon and naming scheme CK.0 / GK.0
for once they arnt specialised tanks and are actual proto tanks
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Posted - 2015.03.15 13:52:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Just because you see one and someone spent SP's to acquire one doesn't mean that they are a tanker , know how to set up their fits where they get the most from their mods , understand how to drive and know the terrain in case of trouble and just basically know what their doing .
A lot of people went that route because it's something new and people flock to what's new until that newness wears off .
I wouldn't brag about killing tanks because you have a lot of inexperienced drivers out there so it's no big whoop .
Give it 4 to 5 months and then begin to talk .
Flank and spank works on anyone who doesnt have a dedicated navigator :P theres really nothing that can be done if i gain position on someone :P
let the rain of the Chrome tankers begin again!
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Posted - 2015.03.15 14:51:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
Flank and spank works on anyone who doesnt have a dedicated navigator :P theres really nothing that can be done if i gain position on someone :P
This could be said about anyone in-game , if your infantry or in a vehicle . Basics ...
what i meant is that i usually have a gunner in my tank sitting in the map marking targets and watching for threats/killing AV
any tanker who does not have such a helper is going to get instaganked.
im just rolling around teaching the next generation of tankers the ways of Chromosome.
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:10:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive been killing proto tanks all day long in my 500k tank :P poor guys wernt around in chrome where position was everything and you died in 3 hits :P
ill give you a hint
position + sica + dmg mods = dead proto tanks everywhere....
just flank and spank Are you one of those guys who were camping in the hills firing railguns all over the map
im an old school tanker, hills, mountains, towers, and awkward positions ontop of buildings you diddnt know a tank could get to are where i was born :P
my ideal fight is staying out of LOS while flanking the LONG way around and putting 3 shots into someone who diddnt even know there was another tank on the field. then quickly setting up for a position on their redline to wait for the inevitable tank #2
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:21:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
Flank and spank works on anyone who doesnt have a dedicated navigator :P theres really nothing that can be done if i gain position on someone :P
This could be said about anyone in-game , if your infantry or in a vehicle . Basics ... what i meant is that i usually have a gunner in my tank sitting in the map marking targets and watching for threats/killing AV any tanker who does not have such a helper is going to get instaganked. im just rolling around teaching the next generation of tankers the ways of Chromosome. 2 tanks > tank + gunner.
a navi prevents you from being snuck up on, and 2 tanks is conspicuous. i go for strait ganks, not brawls. im likly to engage the rear tank and pop it and burn away, to hide and recall in the chaos. i engage when i see that the lead tank is in a position where he cant eassily do a 180 and just gun it at me, blaster tankers get greedy and are usually the lead tank so their partners make easy marks.
in a situation like that though the followup is alot more risky, as once they know your there it gets ALOT more dangerous against a pair so i usually cut my losses and leave them wandering the map looking for me for half the game. This way they relax a little and i can squeeze a second gank in before the end of the match.
Nothing infuriates tankers more than not being able to even the score.
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:29:00 -
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way to bring back my PTSD dude
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Posted - 2015.03.15 16:39:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
Flank and spank works on anyone who doesnt have a dedicated navigator :P theres really nothing that can be done if i gain position on someone :P
This could be said about anyone in-game , if your infantry or in a vehicle . Basics ... what i meant is that i usually have a gunner in my tank sitting in the map marking targets and watching for threats/killing AV any tanker who does not have such a helper is going to get instaganked. im just rolling around teaching the next generation of tankers the ways of Chromosome. the downside to rail tanks...........your screwed once the blaster is up your ass.....literally 20% extra damage for shooting the rear befor my complex blaster mod...with that on theres 40% then add the fact the blaster gets +10 for hitting shields there's 50%..........pretty sure you sica will get spanked. also. theres this thing called tanking befor/since beta. having situational awerness and spoting threats/assuming where said threat is sitting. tankers don't need gunners to know where targets are. experience beats everything.......
the sica doesnt get shot.... neither does the super soma :P (need that one for tower ganks as it has a lower gun depression :P)
my favorite targets are tripple rep maddys as they get 2 shotted
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Posted - 2015.03.16 10:11:00 -
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danthrax martin wrote:I have yet to take on a pro tank. Every time I've tried this week, dust fiend seems to be overhead trying to blow my @ss up.  I
just stand in the middle of the map with a becons :P theres a vid he posted of me nuking his dropship 3 times in a game with it :P (due to a bug it shows as "large blaster instalation" in the killfeed" for extra lulz as he cant figure out how a large blaster is killing him)
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Posted - 2015.03.16 10:55:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:I have a tanker with 26 mil. I cant tank to save my life lol
just dont use proto tanks :P or your likely to get eaten by the super sica
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:10:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They are not prototype tanks, you are killing basic++
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they ARE proto tanks :P they have the icon and naming scheme CK.0 / GK.0 for once they arnt specialised tanks and are actual proto tanks Compare them to basic and advanaced and prototype basic dropsuits. Do they both increase in PG/CPU? Yes Do they both get a increase in slot layout? No, vehicles do not Why does the basic HAV skill cost a x8 when basic dropsuits are a x4? Just because it is called CK.0 does not make it proto If a dog is born in a stable does that make it a horse? Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
Idealy dropsuits would conform to the new standard set by tanks, not the other way around.
also that was a terrible argument.
the name scheme and the gold market marking DO in fact make it proto reguardless of where the tank was born.
a CV.0 gunnlogi is a standard++ tank in the same way a CK.0 assault is a standard ++ dropsuit.
as to the reason your argument was terrible, think of dog as a proto tank and the stable as slot loadout. Any argument that can be fliped like that and carry the same amount of argumenative weight is a terrible argument.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:24:00 -
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Once again a dog (proto tank) born in a stable(with the same slot layout as standard) does not make it a horse (standard tank) no matter how hard you try.
change to a different argument.
you also literally picked the ONE difference out of the MANY similarities to base your entire argument around.
if we are going by weight we have
for proto:
same name scheme as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
same market icons as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
increase in CPU/PG as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
CCP named it as prototype gear
for standard++
no increase in slot layout past militia
by that argument the minmatar basic medium frame MK.0 proto suit isnt prototype as well due to it having less fitting slots than the MK.0 assault and also falls into the catagory of standard ++
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:36:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Once again a dog (proto tank) born in a stable(with the same slot layout as standard) does not make it a horse (standard tank) no matter how hard you try.
change to a different argument.
you also literally picked the ONE difference out of the MANY similarities to base your entire argument around.
if we are going by weight we have
for proto:
same name scheme as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
same market icons as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
increase in CPU/PG as per regular STD/ADV/PRO pattern
CCP named it as prototype gear
for standard++
no increase in slot layout past militia
by that argument the minmatar basic medium frame MK.0 proto suit isnt prototype as well due to it having less fitting slots than the MK.0 assault and also falls into the catagory of standard ++ (or at least is closer to standard++ than prototype in a world where you are correct) MK.0 basic frame prototype suit increases in PG/CPU and slot layout when compared to the standard basic frame so it is prototype. The HAV does not increase in slot layout same as any other suit. It is not prototype. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
Its reached the point where you are
not expanding your explanation of your position
not countering my arguments
not even referancing my arguments on anything but a superficial level
now your just simply repeating your position endlessly like a mantra, not expanding, explaining, or reinforcing your position in any way, while at the same time not even attempting to adress my positions.
Simply stating something over and over again does not make it true, one must actually provide evidence to suppport said argument and act to defend it when said argument and evidence is challenged.
this debate has reached its final resting place, as it apears that you no longer have anything additional to add to the discussion.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:45:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote: it needs to have the whole package not bits and pieces.
please provide evidence to support that the above claim is true
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: it needs to have the whole package not bits and pieces.
please provide evidence to support that the above claim is true Do HAVs increase in slot layout as you go up tiers?
you may not use your argument as evidence that your argument is true, its like deviding by zero without using calculas, it just doesnt work.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:20:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: it needs to have the whole package not bits and pieces.
please provide evidence to support that the above claim is true Do HAVs increase in slot layout as you go up tiers? you may not use your argument as evidence that your argument is true, its like deviding by zero without using calculas, it just doesnt work. its also the same as saying "unicorns exsist because a unicorn told me so" Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slot layout. Now do vehicles increase in slot layout as you go up tiers? It is a simple question, yes or no. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
what does the tank having the same slot layout from STD to PRO have to do with anything.
im asking you to prove that that means its not proto.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:40:00 -
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in short
please PROVE that not having an increasing number of slots from basic to pro means that it isnt proto.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:56:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:in short
please PROVE that not having an increasing number of slots from basic to pro means that it isnt proto. Already proved it. Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slots, vehicles do not. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
that just proves dropsuits have different slot layouts per tier, it does NOT mean that the proto tank isnt a proto tank becuase it doesnt follow that pattern.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 15:11:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:in short
please PROVE that not having an increasing number of slots from basic to pro means that it isnt proto. Already proved it. Dropsuits from basic to advanced to prototype increase in slots, vehicles do not. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 that just proves dropsuits have different slot layouts per tier, it does NOT mean that the proto tank isnt a proto tank becuase it doesnt follow that pattern. Nope All suits increase in slots from tier to tier. Prototype has followed this method for years now with dropsuits. Vehicles have always been left behind, only the Sagaris and Surya could be called advanced but they required the Marauder skill to be trained and had an extra slot and HP over the standard HAV since they were specalized so really would they be a standard level vehicle in a specalized class? Vehicles are tiercided and with tiercide there is no basic/advanced and prototype supposedly yet they keep tiercide and just duplicate a vehicle another 2 times with more PG/CPU and slap on adv/pro on the hulls with a gold X and 0 at the end. When i deploy a Madrugar GA.0 i know it is not prototype. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
ASSUMING YOU ARE CORRECT (wich you have not proven....)
that makes the gunnlogi Cv-1 a prototype - - tank due to slot layout rather than the gunnlogi Cv.0 a standard++
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Posted - 2015.03.16 15:15:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Prototype has the best slot layout of all suits.
Vehicles do not follow this rule.
But if you want to keep calling a dog a horse keep going.
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AAAAND where done here, i made my case to the masses ill leave it for them to decide.
im calling the proto tank a proto tank....
yoru the one insisting that the proto tank labled proto, with the shiney gold proto logo is a horse.
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Posted - 2015.03.16 15:40:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
ill give you a hint
position + sica + dmg mods = dead proto tanks everywhere....
Redline tanker... lol
only if you mean THEIR redline :P its a gank tank, i dont sit in it all game, i pulll it out and ambush then put it away
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