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thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
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Posted - 2015.03.13 10:25:00 -
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It was ruined
when it first come out, shield hardener has 60 resistance and armor one has 40%, but the shield one have shorter active time and longer CD, while the armor one have longer active time and shorter CD.
Then, they changed shield to 40% and armor to 30%, which makes shield one weaker comparatively.
Now, both of them makes 40% resistance, but shield one still have shorter active time and longer CD, while the armor one still have longer active time and shorter CD.
SO, what I want to say is shield hardened is completely underpowered.
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GRIM GEAR
Nos Nothi
460
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:01:00 -
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Truth.
Cup of tea anyone?
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Big miku
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
520
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:12:00 -
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Shields have a native resistance to every AV weapon with the exception of the Plasma Cannon.
No, Flux Grenade are not Strictly AV. |
thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:18:00 -
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Big miku wrote:Shields have a native resistance to every AV weapon with the exception of the Plasma Cannon.
No, Flux Grenade are not Strictly AV.
so you think it should have 10s more CD and 12s less active time for just 5% resistance?also, heavy rail turret deal more damage to shield( if I remember correcty)
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:30:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Big miku wrote:Shields have a native resistance to every AV weapon with the exception of the Plasma Cannon.
No, Flux Grenade are not Strictly AV. so you think it should have 10s more CD and 12s less active time for just 5% resistance?also, heavy rail turret deal more damage to shield( if I remember correcty)
Nope. Fixed.
Let's list all the Anti-Armor AV weapons:
Swarm Launcher
Forge Gun
AV Grenade
Large Railgun Turret
Small Railgun Turret
Large Missile Turret
Small Missile Turret
Remote Explosives
Packed Remote Explosives
The new Assault Heavy Machine Gun
Let's look at the Anti-Shield AV weapons:
Large Blaster Turret
Plasma Cannon
Flux Grenades (tho they are not strictly AV so Idk if I should count them)
Even with the new hardnera for armor, armor tanks will always be at a disadvantage do to the overly abundant anti-armor AV in this game.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:45:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:It was ruined
when it first come out, shield hardener has 60 resistance and armor one has 40%, but the shield one have shorter active time and longer CD, while the armor one have longer active time and shorter CD.
Then, they changed shield to 40% and armor to 30%, which makes shield one weaker comparatively.
Now, both of them makes 40% resistance, but shield one still have shorter active time and longer CD, while the armor one still have longer active time and shorter CD.
SO, what I want to say is shield hardened is completely underpowered.
Yep, we're sort of back on 1.6 for this.
Cooldown should be shorter.
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thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
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Posted - 2015.03.13 13:59:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:thomas mak wrote:Big miku wrote:Shields have a native resistance to every AV weapon with the exception of the Plasma Cannon.
No, Flux Grenade are not Strictly AV. so you think it should have 10s more CD and 12s less active time for just 5% resistance?also, heavy rail turret deal more damage to shield( if I remember correcty) Nope. Fixed. Let's list all the Anti-Armor AV weapons: Swarm Launcher
Forge Gun
AV Grenade
Large Railgun Turret
Small Railgun Turret
Large Missile Turret
Small Missile Turret
Remote Explosives
Packed Remote Explosives
Proximity Mines
The new Assault Heavy Machine Gun
Let's look at the Anti-Shield AV weapons: Large Blaster Turret
Plasma Cannon
Flux Grenades (tho they are not strictly AV so Idk if I should count them)
Even with the new hardnera for armor, armor tanks will always be at a disadvantage do to the overly abundant anti-armor AV in this game.
but do you remember that armored vehicles have more hp?
I am a tanker and a pilot
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H0riz0n Unlimit
Dead Man's Game
519
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:08:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:thomas mak wrote:Big miku wrote:Shields have a native resistance to every AV weapon with the exception of the Plasma Cannon.
No, Flux Grenade are not Strictly AV. so you think it should have 10s more CD and 12s less active time for just 5% resistance?also, heavy rail turret deal more damage to shield( if I remember correcty) Nope. Fixed. Let's list all the Anti-Armor AV weapons: Swarm Launcher
Forge Gun
AV Grenade
Large Railgun Turret
Small Railgun Turret
Large Missile Turret
Small Missile Turret
Remote Explosives
Packed Remote Explosives
Proximity Mines
The new Assault Heavy Machine Gun
Let's look at the Anti-Shield AV weapons: Large Blaster Turret
Plasma Cannon
Flux Grenades (tho they are not strictly AV so Idk if I should count them)
Even with the new hardnera for armor, armor tanks will always be at a disadvantage do to the overly abundant anti-armor AV in this game. but do you remember that armored vehicles have more hp? not true, it s a your own choice how many HP run
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:08:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:thomas mak wrote:Big miku wrote:Shields have a native resistance to every AV weapon with the exception of the Plasma Cannon.
No, Flux Grenade are not Strictly AV. so you think it should have 10s more CD and 12s less active time for just 5% resistance?also, heavy rail turret deal more damage to shield( if I remember correcty) Nope. Fixed. Let's list all the Anti-Armor AV weapons: Swarm Launcher
Forge Gun
AV Grenade
Large Railgun Turret
Small Railgun Turret
Large Missile Turret
Small Missile Turret
Remote Explosives
Packed Remote Explosives
Proximity Mines
The new Assault Heavy Machine Gun
Let's look at the Anti-Shield AV weapons: Large Blaster Turret
Plasma Cannon
Flux Grenades (tho they are not strictly AV so Idk if I should count them)
Even with the new hardnera for armor, armor tanks will always be at a disadvantage do to the overly abundant anti-armor AV in this game. but do you remember that armored vehicles have more hp?
Barely, both hulls got gutted to the bone regarding HP values anyways, AV can still easily make mincemeat out of both hulls without trying.
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thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
97
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:16:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Barely, both hulls got gutted to the bone regarding HP values anyways, AV can still easily make mincemeat out of both hulls without trying.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
sorry I really don't understand what are you talking about (maybe English is because my main language)
can someone tell me what does 'gutted' and 'mincemeat' means?
I am a tanker and a pilot
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General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:16:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Barely, both hulls got gutted to the bone regarding HP values anyways, AV can still easily make mincemeat out of both hulls without trying.
The only reason for that is that they increased AV grenade to 3 again. Other than that, tanks are in a pretty good spot as far as tank goes.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4143
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:26:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Barely, both hulls got gutted to the bone regarding HP values anyways, AV can still easily make mincemeat out of both hulls without trying.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
sorry I really don't understand what are you talking about (maybe English is because my main language) can someone tell me what does 'gutted' and 'mincemeat' means?
Basically gutted means nerfed for me at least.
Making mincemeat is easy, AV killing vehicles is easy.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:29:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Barely, both hulls got gutted to the bone regarding HP values anyways, AV can still easily make mincemeat out of both hulls without trying.
The only reason for that is that they increased AV grenade to 3 again. Other than that, tanks are in a pretty good spot as far as tank goes.
Tanks havn't moved forwards.
They have more slots but the same EHP due to higher fitting costs for modules.
Armor is now king while shield is worse.
Blaster is king, rails/missiles are useless.
SHAV are broken and even without the turrets on still won't be able to fit much in comparision to the normal HAV.
All that is happening is that the 2 hulls have swapped around again and are closer to mirroring infantry in which armor is good and shield is iffy problem is for shield vehicles there turrets suck so they are worse off.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:39:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Tanks havn't moved forwards.
They have more slots but the same EHP due to higher fitting costs for modules.
Armor is now king while shield is worse.
Blaster is king, rails/missiles are useless.
SHAV are broken and even without the turrets on still won't be able to fit much in comparision to the normal HAV.
All that is happening is that the 2 hulls have swapped around again and are closer to mirroring infantry in which armor is good and shield is iffy problem is for shield vehicles there turrets suck so they are worse off.
shield tanks can be more than dense enough to get the job done, provided you aren't spending too many slots on gank options. They are also much more mobile, which matters a hell of a lot when dudes with plasma cannons are jumping 50 metres in the air.
Are they perfect? Of course not. Are they better then they were? Yes I think so.
Dual hardened will still rule of course, but there is a lot more wiggle room in the fittings for molding the tank to your particular playstyle. Alldin and I had a vigorous debate over this last night while playing with fits.
Rails got turned to dogshit when they cut the ranges, and until the ranges come back, they will always be subpar.
The bugged single turret tanks seem like a pointless add on though. With the current meta, having a gunner bro is more important than ever, and thank god for that.
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Lupus Wolf
Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2015.03.13 15:42:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Blaster is king, rails/missiles are useless.
Well, I popped several Gv.0s yesterday with my ADV missiles and damage mod, so there's that.
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