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KA24DERT
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Posted - 2015.03.13 00:17:00 -
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Not sure about exact numbers, but kincats should make your strafing, forward motion and backpedaling faster as well.
This idea is old as dirt, but it's time to re-visit.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:02:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Not sure about exact numbers, but kincats should make your strafing, forward motion and backpedaling faster as well.
This idea is old as dirt, but it's time to re-visit.
No as that would mean strafing as well.
Let's keep strafing game as stable as possible.
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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Alena Ventrallis
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:09:00 -
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Because MinAssault needs the help.
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KA24DERT
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Posted - 2015.03.13 06:09:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Not sure about exact numbers, but kincats should make your strafing, forward motion and backpedaling faster as well.
This idea is old as dirt, but it's time to re-visit. No as that would mean strafing as well. Let's keep strafing game as stable as possible.
What's wrong with changing the strafing game?
It's pretty stagnant as it is. Faster movement is a great way to add complexity to 1v1 engagements.
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Posted - 2015.03.13 06:15:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Not sure about exact numbers, but kincats should make your strafing, forward motion and backpedaling faster as well.
This idea is old as dirt, but it's time to re-visit. No as that would mean strafing as well. Let's keep strafing game as stable as possible. What's wrong with changing the strafing game? It's pretty stagnant as it is. Faster movement is a great way to add complexity to 1v1 engagements.
Too much speed actually reduces complexity to all but a small fraction of the user base.
Especially in a low frame rate environment, reasonable movement paired against reaction speed turns into unreasonably fast movement paired with guessing.
That isn't really what I would call a positive change for most people, and only the most hardcore of the hardcore attempt to bluff themselves out to be for the idea.
The reason the jumping change works so well is because it is a sudden spike in movement followed by a long predictable fall -- it balances against itself as having initial advantage and then equal disadvantage.
Buffing the hell out of strafing just increases the guesswork.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2015.03.13 06:36:00 -
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Imagine this.
What if mercs had momentum. What if a player had to come to a brief stop before completely reversing direction.
Then imagine if KinCats reduced that momentum. (And increased speed slightly, sure why not)
MinAssaults could still have the same play style (fast strafing), but they would have to fit their suit specifically for that and sacrificing something they currently have.
This would make KinCats more dynamic, as you're proposing, as well as nerfing the currently OP MinAssault.
Get two birds stoned at once.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2015.03.13 06:42:00 -
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I wouldn't mind increasing strafe speed so long as there were inertia and KinCats didn't improve acceleration.
As it stands, strafe speed is a major issue without inertia, and we don't need to go back to wiggle wiggle scouts dodging fire head on.
I like where KinCats are aside from costs. But even then, I would rather see other mods increased in cost before seeing KinCats reduced.
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Imp Smash
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Posted - 2015.03.13 06:50:00 -
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:52:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Not sure about exact numbers, but kincats should make your strafing, forward motion and backpedaling faster as well.
This idea is old as dirt, but it's time to re-visit. No as that would mean strafing as well. Let's keep strafing game as stable as possible. What's wrong with changing the strafing game? It's pretty stagnant as it is. Faster movement is a great way to add complexity to 1v1 engagements.
Faster movement is a great way to increase hit detection problems.
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VALCORE72
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.03.13 08:08:00 -
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waaay too many use drugs on dust lol |
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.03.13 09:34:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Not sure about exact numbers, but kincats should make your strafing, forward motion and backpedaling faster as well.
This idea is old as dirt, but it's time to re-visit. No as that would mean strafing as well. Let's keep strafing game as stable as possible. What's wrong with changing the strafing game? It's pretty stagnant as it is. Faster movement is a great way to add complexity to 1v1 engagements.
The frame rate. Or the lack of decent one, does not support faster speeds.
What's wrong? I don't answer that, that plethora of 'unhittable opponents' QQ threads do it. I don't share my opinion with those but it's a sign that there's something wrong.
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.03.13 09:36:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Imagine this.
What if mercs had momentum. What if a player had to come to a brief stop before completely reversing direction.
Then imagine if KinCats reduced that momentum. (And increased speed slightly, sure why not)
MinAssaults could still have the same play style (fast strafing), but they would have to fit their suit specifically for that and sacrificing something they currently have.
This would make KinCats more dynamic, as you're proposing, as well as nerfing the currently OP MinAssault.
Get two birds stoned at once.
actually, momentum exists
but the value is small and more or less the same for all suits
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.13 09:50:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Imagine this.
What if mercs had momentum. What if a player had to come to a brief stop before completely reversing direction.
Then imagine if KinCats reduced that momentum. (And increased speed slightly, sure why not)
MinAssaults could still have the same play style (fast strafing), but they would have to fit their suit specifically for that and sacrificing something they currently have.
This would make KinCats more dynamic, as you're proposing, as well as nerfing the currently OP MinAssault.
Get two birds stoned at once.
That's difficult to program actually.
Momentum as a value does actually exist when moving between left and right directly. There is clear deceleration, even present on KB/M despite people claiming otherwise. But when shifting from left to forward left, and then to forward, the momentum transfers instantly. We then bring it around from forward to forward right, and then to right. Which is how we do proper strafe. We can also change directions and move backwards too, if we wish.
The directions immediately adjacent to whichever direction you are currently going naturally receives all of the momentum and acceleration you had going for it before, even if the speed itself is lower (for example back peddling). It has to be this way because it's the only way movement actually feels responsive. Momentum halting completely only happens when you attempt to change to the complete opposite direction.
If momentum was bridged between opposite directions it actually wouldn't help very much.
One, because the controller neutral deadzone would ensure a reduction in movement speed was always artificially there. Only KB/M could take advantage of it.
Two, because the current method of strafing by making half-circular movements is incredibly effective as it is. There isn't much more of a performance increase you could really attain from it, even if the center of the analog somehow magically didn't exist.
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KA24DERT
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:04:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Too much speed actually reduces complexity to all but a small fraction of the user base.
Yep, I want my skill gap.
And I can't wait for PVE to come out so that scrubs stop thinking they can play a shooter.
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benandjerrys
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:08:00 -
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Wrong. Nanofibers that decrease armor (since no structure)
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DJINN Jecture
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Posted - 2015.03.13 13:48:00 -
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benandjerrys wrote:Wrong. Nanofibers that decrease armor (since no structure)
Ahh the veritable speed tank combined with complex kincats and such sounds interesting but how about just increasing overall traction on all surfaces giving a slight boost in speed and the ability to walk up walls to turn my Jackie Chan imitating scout around...she's always falling down.
We can call them spider-legs 
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KA24DERT
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Posted - 2015.03.13 19:41:00 -
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benandjerrys wrote:Wrong. Nanofibers that decrease armor (since no structure)
In choosing a kincat vs an armor plate you are already effectively doing that. I'd agree more with the concept if dropsuits had more base armor or more slots to fill.
But a module to modify inertia should be separate in this game, I think.
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