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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:28:00 -
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My main protosuit costs just over 186,000 ISK. If I lose 1 proto clone in an Ambush match I am most likely going to cut even in terms of ISK earned and ISK lost. If I lose 2 suits 99% of the time I am going negative on ISK.
For me the average ISK payout in an Ambush match is around 200,000 ISK (a number of times I have earned 400,000-500,000+ ISK but I don't understand how that happens).
We need to have the ISK payout substantially increased so that more people can afford to run proto suits and so that solo players don't get screwed over for using protosuits to help their team win.
If I use a protosuit and win an Ambush match in first place with a KDR of 20/3 I should not be punished for it. Right now I am getting punished if I perform that well by not being rewarded anywhere close to the amount of ISK I invest into the match. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:54:00 -
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MRBH1997 wrote:Dude, proto suits are meant for PC, not pub matches. If you could lose a couple proto suits (which is only possible as a logi) and still profit, then why would anyone play PC. Here's a tip, don't try to proto stomp if you'd don't got the wallet or skill for it.
Don't you ******* tell me what protosuits are used for. You're going to tell me it is ok for me to get protostomped in a public match but it is not OK for me to use a protosuit in a public match? Why the **** am I able to buy protosuits with ISK if what you are saying is true when PC matches do not reward ISK?
And don't you ******* talk to me about skill you little *****. You don't ******* know me. 90% of the time I am placing in the top spots of the match leaderboard and this is while I am running solo (I have yet to run with a squad in this game). |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:23:00 -
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MRBH1997 wrote:Summa Militum wrote:MRBH1997 wrote:Dude, proto suits are meant for PC, not pub matches. If you could lose a couple proto suits (which is only possible as a logi) and still profit, then why would anyone play PC. Here's a tip, don't try to proto stomp if you'd don't got the wallet or skill for it. Don't you ******* tell me what protosuits are used for. You're going to tell me it is ok for me to get protostomped in a public match but it is not OK for me to use a protosuit in a public match? Why the **** am I able to buy protosuits with ISK if what you are saying is true when PC matches do not reward ISK? And don't you ******* talk to me about skill you little *****. You don't ******* know me. 90% of the time I am placing in the top spots of the match leaderboard and this is while I am running solo (I have yet to run with a squad in this game). Proto stomper have the ISK to do so, and usually the skill. Not saying it is, never did. But proto stomping is a completely different issue. And PC's do give millions of ISK, only if you win.
Faction Warfare matches only reward you millions of ISK if your corporation rewards that to you for winning. Whenever I win Faction Warfare matches I get a solid amount of Loyalty Points but I am limited as to what I can purchase with that plus Factional Warfare matches take a long ass time to get into.
Let me use an Ambush Match I just played a little bit ago to give you an example of the ISK payout pissing me off. I won an Ambush match and placed 1st on my team, I had 300 WP more than the person in 2nd place. I went 8 and 1 in this match. My payout was 230,000 ISK. When I subtract the 185,000 ISK for the 1 clone I lost I only profit 45,000 ISK. It would take 4 matches like this for me to earn enough ISK to increase my inventory for the proto class I used by 1. That is ridiculous. For someone coming in first place on a winning team the ISK payout should be much higher.
If anything CCP should let us know how ISK payout is determined. If I knew that I could focus on doing things that would give me a much higher ISK payout. I have had some matches where I have earned 400-500,000+ ISK and I have no idea how. If I could get 400-500,000 ISK each time I won an Ambush match in first place I would be happy with the ISK situation. As it is right now I think it sucks. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:55:00 -
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abdullah muzaffar wrote:The new payout cap is too low. Probably why the team with most BRIGADIER wins, unlimited proto.
The payout amount also doesn't make sense. One time I got over 500,000 ISK in a Domination match that I lost where I came in something like 5th or 6th place on my team but when I come in first place on a Domination match I win I only average just over 300,000 ISK.
I can't make sense of this ridiculousness.
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:28:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Summa Militum wrote:abdullah muzaffar wrote:The new payout cap is too low. Probably why the team with most BRIGADIER wins, unlimited proto. The payout amount also doesn't make sense. One time I got over 500,000 ISK in a Domination match that I lost where I came in something like 5th or 6th place on my team but when I come in first place on a Domination match I win I only average just over 300,000 ISK. I can't make sense of this ridiculousness. Payout is largely based off of how much ISK the other team loses. If the other team has a ton of losses, your payout will be larger. While placement on the leaderboards has some effect in ISK payouts, Warpoints are typically more tied to SP generation than it is to ISK payouts. In other words, the more you kill and the more money the other team spends, the more money your team will make overall.
Do you know if there is a set amount for when someone kills someone using a BPO? I would hate to think we get nothing for taking those people out. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:32:00 -
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Tread Loudly 2 wrote:Vehicles in Pubs can be hit or miss, I've had games where I've lost a few million vs a group of tanks, and I've had games where I've gained over a million because of so many vehicles being destroyed. Overall even as a vehicle specialist I think the payouts aren't bad it's difficult to budget your own money according to your own skill level. I'm not saying your a scrub or your bad at the game, but you do have to realize and make a budget for yourself for every so many games.
I have a budget going to keep my proto suits stocked but it is still annoying getting so little payouts. I have 1 suit that runs me around 35,000 ISK that I run in Ambush to profit enough so I am not constantly bankrupt. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:14:00 -
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Tread Loudly 2 wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Tread Loudly 2 wrote:Vehicles in Pubs can be hit or miss, I've had games where I've lost a few million vs a group of tanks, and I've had games where I've gained over a million because of so many vehicles being destroyed. Overall even as a vehicle specialist I think the payouts aren't bad it's difficult to budget your own money according to your own skill level. I'm not saying your a scrub or your bad at the game, but you do have to realize and make a budget for yourself for every so many games. I have a budget going to keep my proto suits stocked but it is still annoying getting so little payouts. I have 1 suit that runs me around 35,000 ISK that I run in Ambush to profit enough so I am not constantly bankrupt. You could do 1 thing, but you can't be too worried about your K/D ratio... Just go 1 week running nothing but free or near free suits in ambush... Doing this you should have a fair amount of ISK just don't go too crazy on the spending...
I don't think I will be doing that. That will lower my win/loss ratio as well. I have a cheap 35,000 ISK class I use to raise money. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:26:00 -
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Foo Fighting wrote:To OP: the rewards and pricing in this game reflect the initial design principles of risk vs. reward and in isolation are fairly sound. However through various ill thought out mechanics and choices on CCPs part (eg. district locking, asset buybacks at the end of beta, alt farming etc.) the curent isk distribution has skewed this early principle well beyond the fairness it was supposed to create.
Many people can field what they want when they want and many can't - don't listen to those who tell you you can't run proto in pubs, that is your choice alone. But match payouts are unlikely to change as you requested and I don't think they should either.
So you are left with the one truism the has been constant throughout new eden - adapt or die.
Suggestions: 1. Run a cheaper fit - if you're going 20/2 it sounds like you would do ok in adv or even basic. 2. Spend some cash - pick up a combat pack for -ú4 (or whatever it costs in your currency) that gives you 400 suits adv and proto plus 400 weapons and modules galore. That should give you enough to earn 20 million over a few weeks, buy one a month for 3 months and you'll have isk enough for the next 6 months. 3. Beg 4. Borrow 5. Steal 6. Ring in PC 7. Sell assets 8. Run in a squad with decent logis to keep you alive
Whilst I have some sympathy that you can't afford to run what some can though being in the right place at the right time, it's like what others have said you are a small business and you have to live within your means - reduce your living cost or increase your means.
You list 8 things for me to do to increase my ISK amount (3 of which were beg, borrow, and steal) but you can't agree that the person in first place on the winning team should be adequately compensated for their efforts? |
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