DUST Search - nerf flux nades

Generic Gristle wrote:

they do more damage than locus nades. they benefit armour fits too much. they make infantry cqc an armour fight.

id say they should do the same splash damage of their equivalent locus. they still wipe out equipment, they make cqc fairer for shield tanking infantry.

a comparison -

basic flux grenade does 1200 splash damage with a 6m range (1200 shield 0 armour)

basic locus does 300 (240 shield 360 armour)

lets take 2 suits with 900hp.
shield suit has 600 shield 300 armour
armour suit has 300 shield 600 armour

shield tank gets hit with a flux, all shield is gone, left with 300hp
an armour tank will have their shield gone. left with 600hp

not take the same suits being hit with a locus - the armour destroyer

the shield will lose 240hp - left with 640hp
armour will lose 240 too, as its all shield damage - so its left with 640hp.

this is not fair.

make flux same as locus and its a lot fairer, both suits would end up with 600hp after being splash damaged by a flux and 640 with a locus.

the reality is probably even more skewed due to extenders crippling regulators. armour is easier to stack, has bigger benefits, and has hives, repper modules and logis to rep it - Good luck getting an effective shield suit to 900hp, where an armour suit is easy to get to 1000hp with minimal sacrifices.

only problem is AV will moan about how they supposed to take a shield HAV down without fluxes. For that I'd just have flux AV nades that are magnetic like the standard AV nades.

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Generic Gristle Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 21	Posted - 2015.03.10 16:11:00 - [1] - Quote they do more damage than locus nades. they benefit armour fits too much. they make infantry cqc an armour fight. id say they should do the same splash damage of their equivalent locus. they still wipe out equipment, they make cqc fairer for shield tanking infantry. a comparison - basic flux grenade does 1200 splash damage with a 6m range (1200 shield 0 armour) basic locus does 300 (240 shield 360 armour) lets take 2 suits with 900hp. shield suit has 600 shield 300 armour armour suit has 300 shield 600 armour shield tank gets hit with a flux, all shield is gone, left with 300hp an armour tank will have their shield gone. left with 600hp not take the same suits being hit with a locus - the armour destroyer the shield will lose 240hp - left with 640hp armour will lose 240 too, as its all shield damage - so its left with 640hp. this is not fair. make flux same as locus and its a lot fairer, both suits would end up with 600hp after being splash damaged by a flux and 640 with a locus. the reality is probably even more skewed due to extenders crippling regulators. armour is easier to stack, has bigger benefits, and has hives, repper modules and logis to rep it - Good luck getting an effective shield suit to 900hp, where an armour suit is easy to get to 1000hp with minimal sacrifices. only problem is AV will moan about how they supposed to take a shield HAV down without fluxes. For that I'd just have flux AV nades that are magnetic like the standard AV nades.
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10475	Posted - 2015.03.10 16:13:00 - [2] - Quote Core nades don't give a damn whether you shield or armor tank. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 33	Posted - 2015.03.10 17:35:00 - [3] - Quote Not enough players use them to realise how broken they are, just enjoy the fact all these merc's cant math and use them yourself Its ok, I'm a ninja
Genral69 death Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:10:00 - [4] - Quote Generic Gristle wrote: they do more damage than locus nades. they benefit armour fits too much. they make infantry cqc an armour fight. id say they should do the same splash damage of their equivalent locus. they still wipe out equipment, they make cqc fairer for shield tanking infantry. a comparison - basic flux grenade does 1200 splash damage with a 6m range (1200 shield 0 armour) basic locus does 300 (240 shield 360 armour) lets take 2 suits with 900hp. shield suit has 600 shield 300 armour armour suit has 300 shield 600 armour shield tank gets hit with a flux, all shield is gone, left with 300hp an armour tank will have their shield gone. left with 600hp not take the same suits being hit with a locus - the armour destroyer the shield will lose 240hp - left with 640hp armour will lose 240 too, as its all shield damage - so its left with 640hp. this is not fair. make flux same as locus and its a lot fairer, both suits would end up with 600hp after being splash damaged by a flux and 640 with a locus. the reality is probably even more skewed due to extenders crippling regulators. armour is easier to stack, has bigger benefits, and has hives, repper modules and logis to rep it - Good luck getting an effective shield suit to 900hp, where an armour suit is easy to get to 1000hp with minimal sacrifices. only problem is AV will moan about how they supposed to take a shield HAV down without fluxes. For that I'd just have flux AV nades that are magnetic like the standard AV nades. Are you mad. The flux was designed to be the inbertwen of Av and infanty . Yes if timed corrected it leaved a caldari defensless . But how often do people carry fluxes they are under used . Plus if they made the changed you want they would be usless against shielded av
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 164	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:04:00 - [5] - Quote Id like a grenade that does armor damage and only armor damage. It would leave shields and base clone HP, but would have a Flux sized splash, and do 0 shield damage. That way, armor tankers can enjoy the feeling of having your entire main tank wiped by a single press of R2. Also, there should be an OB that you can call that does this in a huge radius as well. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 46	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:21:00 - [7] - Quote Dude you do realize that Flux grenades are designed to hurt the shields. It doesn't hurt your armor. Core locuses eat up My suits, and I'm fully tanked out in armor. And In general I never have problems with fluxes when I run my Covenant Assault. I don't get what you're upset about. Try building a suit that's build to come back quickly with Regulators, energizers, and rechargers, and One extender. You'll get much more use out of that suit, and that's how shield based suits are supposed to work anyways. Flux grenades are not OP in terms of how much damage they do. Sidenote: Flux grenades against tanks if anything is UNDERPOWERED. One proto flux grenade does not even fully wipe an unhardened MLT shield tank with no extenders's shield. I'm one of the blueberries that Isn't useless, cause I always have a rep tool, and USE IT. B)
Generic Gristle Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 23	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:40:00 - [8] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Id like a grenade that does armor damage and only armor damage. It would leave shields and base clone HP, but would have a Flux sized splash, and do 0 shield damage. That way, armor tankers can enjoy the feeling of having your entire main tank wiped by a single press of R2. Also, there should be an OB that you can call that does this in a huge radius as well. THIS lets call anti armour 'crutch' nades. then you 'dude flux its supposed to hurt shield it done never killed nobody g'huk' would be all 'OMG like CRUTCH nades are so OP'
Genral69 death Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:52:00 - [9] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... But its happened before
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8358	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:52:00 - [10] - Quote You want to nerf a grenade... that can't actually kill anything? facepalm PS. I run a Minja, which is a primarily shield reliant suit, so if I can run it and not cry about Flux grenades, I fail to see why someone else should have problems with them. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2552	Posted - 2015.03.10 21:05:00 - [11] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... But its happened before 'Twas a bug. It's been squooshed. Home at Last <3
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10501	Posted - 2015.03.10 21:44:00 - [12] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... But its happened before 'Twas a bug. It's been squooshed. Was a pretty funny bug while it lasted too lol Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2554	Posted - 2015.03.10 21:54:00 - [13] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... But its happened before 'Twas a bug. It's been squooshed. Was a pretty funny bug while it lasted too lol It still kinda applies to LAVs. Maybe. It might be a feature, but if you get one under an LAV, it does armor damage. Home at Last <3
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 258	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:00:00 - [14] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... But its happened before That was a glitch that used to occur in earlier patches. Its fixed now. Use dampeners and dmg mods for CQC with shield suits. Its how they are designed, or use a very high shield regen fit at long range.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 193	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:05:00 - [15] - Quote Caldari are shield tankers and attack from large distances (missiles, sniper,rail guns, forge, long range weapons etc). Gal scouts can get close to them and wipe them. Deal with it. Dont let gallery's near you. The best solution I can give you is to dual tank. 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Generic Gristle Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 24	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:06:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You want to nerf a grenade... that can't actually kill anything? facepalm PS. I run a Minja, which is a primarily shield reliant suit, so if I can run it and not cry about Flux grenades, I fail to see why someone else should have problems with them. a minja is a stealth and speed reliant suit, you dont get to comment on this. i merely want dps equality between flux and locus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:24:00 - [17] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Last time I checked you can't kill a guy with a flux.... Lost a python to a flux don't sleep. Was in a PC but it was a noshow. I was floating around my corp mates then they started tossing fluxes... Cool lost my shields then BAM! died to a flux grenade hitting the ship. Don't sleep :( Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8366	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote Generic Gristle wrote: One Eyed King wrote: You want to nerf a grenade... that can't actually kill anything? facepalm PS. I run a Minja, which is a primarily shield reliant suit, so if I can run it and not cry about Flux grenades, I fail to see why someone else should have problems with them. a minja is a stealth and speed reliant suit, you dont get to comment on this. i merely want dps equality between flux and locus. I am a merc, and not a QQ pain, so I get to comment if I wish. I would suggest my POV is more reasonable than that of a QQer who thinks he can dictate who can and cannot post on a thread in the Dust forums. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Generic Gristle Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 26	Posted - 2015.03.10 23:19:00 - [19] - Quote .
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2555	Posted - 2015.03.10 23:49:00 - [20] - Quote Tell you what. If Locus Grenades cannot damage shields, or kill... ...then it would be reasonable for Fluxes to do the same damage as them. So basically, no. Until then(which will be never), Fluxes are fine. Home at Last <3

Benjamin Ciscko Negative-Feedback 3647	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:10:00 - [21] - Quote What kind of scrub runs 300 shield on an armor suit. Same goes for the cal ass running 300 armor Fatal Absolution Director http://imgur.com/VwYJUI3
Jason1 Black FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 7	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:29:00 - [22] - Quote Generic Gristle wrote: they do more damage than locus nades. they benefit armour fits too much. they make infantry cqc an armour fight. id say they should do the same splash damage of their equivalent locus. they still wipe out equipment, they make cqc fairer for shield tanking infantry. a comparison - basic flux grenade does 1200 splash damage with a 6m range (1200 shield 0 armour) basic locus does 300 (240 shield 360 armour) lets take 2 suits with 900hp. shield suit has 600 shield 300 armour armour suit has 300 shield 600 armour shield tank gets hit with a flux, all shield is gone, left with 300hp an armour tank will have their shield gone. left with 600hp not take the same suits being hit with a locus - the armour destroyer the shield will lose 240hp - left with 640hp armour will lose 240 too, as its all shield damage - so its left with 640hp. this is not fair. make flux same as locus and its a lot fairer, both suits would end up with 600hp after being splash damaged by a flux and 640 with a locus. the reality is probably even more skewed due to extenders crippling regulators. armour is easier to stack, has bigger benefits, and has hives, repper modules and logis to rep it - Good luck getting an effective shield suit to 900hp, where an armour suit is easy to get to 1000hp with minimal sacrifices. only problem is AV will moan about how they supposed to take a shield HAV down without fluxes. For that I'd just have flux AV nades that are magnetic like the standard AV nades. Instead of whyning maybe you should consider, oh i dont know, changing to armour based suits/tanks. Im a caldari, you dont see me complaining, sure they do more damage but lets face it, unless your going up against a tank, it only uses some of its damage. They cant kill they are meant for softening target, locus grenades can kill I love this game but it makes me rage so much. Star wars battlefront 3 coming out, so excited!!


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