DUST Search - lol Fa, stick to pubs continued

Shepherd Grey wrote:

Zatara Rought wrote:

Shepherd Grey wrote:

I would feel bad, if you guys hadn't of farmed 22+ districts for at least 3 months that I personally witnessed. So, when you say you aren't enthusiastic about spending ISK, maybe you should hit up....idk....Devin, Lags, Jake, Ghost, and everyone else who had their own personal farm. How bout that toilet and orphanage though?

Pot...meet kettle.

That's what we call good old fashioned hypocrisy.

Oh, so you are speaking of Passive ISK Gen ay? Yep, that corp has 2 districts. So..if FA had 22 farms (minimum, mind you), that puts you at 11 times as many, farmed for three months (also minimum). So I guess PIG will reach the same rate of ISK income and wallet size as your illustrious leadership in oh.....33 months. I'll personally vote you back into CPM to see you then.

Also, unlike FA's holding 26% PLUS 10% in farms, totaling 36% of MH...in an already doughnutized Gen. Tso's MH with no opposition (and therefore, no PC).....the two PIG produces are distributed to PC players on both sides of the board. Instead of going to Devin's pub k/d padding RE fund.

Kettle, meet shovel.

You should have locked thread after post again, it shields the counter. I can keep going, if you prefer.


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Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5133	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:26:00 - [1] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: I would feel bad, if you guys hadn't of farmed 22+ districts for at least 3 months that I personally witnessed. So, when you say you aren't enthusiastic about spending ISK, maybe you should hit up....idk....Devin, Lags, Jake, Ghost, and everyone else who had their own personal farm. How bout that toilet and orphanage though? Pot...meet kettle. That's what we call good old fashioned hypocrisy. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5133	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:47:00 - [2] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Shepherd Grey wrote: I would feel bad, if you guys hadn't of farmed 22+ districts for at least 3 months that I personally witnessed. So, when you say you aren't enthusiastic about spending ISK, maybe you should hit up....idk....Devin, Lags, Jake, Ghost, and everyone else who had their own personal farm. How bout that toilet and orphanage though? Pot...meet kettle. That's what we call good old fashioned hypocrisy. And this is called admittance to guilt. :O You all should be shamed. But you're in the right section of the forums to admit it - pretty much everyone here has farmed, lol. Precisely...what decent corp hasn't farmed? "Oh you farmed more than us!!!" Ok yeah, FA farmed da mostest...so that makes your farming less hypocritical. But what do I know I came back and worked hard to scale back farming working with Shep and Tex. <3 It's kinda weird to see them talking ** to me, but I guess that's the way these things go. I dunno when you decided to become this way Shep, but I'm still cordial. Also CPM have no control over forum moderation. Last Post! [lol] Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5133	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:00:00 - [3] - Quote Dust User wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm not sure what on earth caused parts of current leadership to act like this towards FA My guess would be Devin and his big stick. I thought it was me and my dragon dildo pan. If it was devin then he was doing something right. <3 Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5133	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:08:00 - [4] - Quote Man, tangent but the best part about passive isk was doling out paychecks. The size isn't important as we really didn't have a ** ton of districts in those days (compared to the what...30% we've held at one point) But dropping paychecks in lump sums into wallets just has that santa claus/tooth fairy feel to it. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5133	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:11:00 - [5] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Shepherd Grey wrote: I would feel bad, if you guys hadn't of farmed 22+ districts for at least 3 months that I personally witnessed. So, when you say you aren't enthusiastic about spending ISK, maybe you should hit up....idk....Devin, Lags, Jake, Ghost, and everyone else who had their own personal farm. How bout that toilet and orphanage though? Pot...meet kettle. That's what we call good old fashioned hypocrisy. Oh, so you are speaking of Passive ISK Gen ay? Yep, that corp has 2 districts. So..if FA had 22 farms (minimum, mind you), that puts you at 11 times as many, farmed for three months (also minimum). So I guess PIG will reach the same rate of ISK income and wallet size as your illustrious leadership in oh.....33 months. I'll personally vote you back into CPM to see you then. Also, unlike FA's holding 26% PLUS 10% in farms, totaling 36% of MH...in an already doughnutized Gen. Tso's MH with no opposition (and therefore, no PC).....the two PIG produces are distributed to PC players on both sides of the board. Instead of going to Devin's pub k/d padding RE fund. Kettle, meet shovel. You should have locked thread after post again, it shields the counter. I can keep going, if you prefer. Nope...not at all...talking about neck waffle houses and the others...good try though. But yeah...like I said...doesn't matter if you had less...** how many did OH have before they left?? Where was Cap's complaints then? Doesn't matter is the difference is proportionally different...it's still hypocrisy. If your hands aren't clean..feel free to throw stones. You and I might not have farmed personally, but members of both sides def farmed districts. It's just jelly of you if you're concerned we farmed more. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5133	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:13:00 - [6] - Quote "I can do this all day" oh god, another person who thinks getting the last word in edgewise means you won the argument. G/L H/F Unless you'd like to suggest none of your members didn't farm...or even more funny that a certain level of farming is okay and FA crossed the imaginary "acceptable levels of farming" line...then you can sperg on with the witless comments about how long it'll take you to match wallets. It really doesn't matter. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5134	Posted - 2015.03.11 04:43:00 - [7] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: :tears: TL;DR mang I didn't even read. But i'm satisfied. thanks Shep. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5137	Posted - 2015.03.12 12:44:00 - [8] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: This thread is kinda dumb. I wanted to throw a little trivia in to spice it up. Before Zatara made FA he flirted with 0.H (Tibs). Somehow getting his full support and trust against my advisement. After Zatara made FA he meta'd his way into getting 0.H (Tibs) to go to war with AE. Since AE was keeping FA off the map. FA never would have been anything if 0.H (Tibs) hadn't given full backing and protection against AE. 0.H (Blitz) hates FA because after we backed them through their beginnings gave them districts and helped them defend those districts they stabbed us in the back. First joining TSO and using TP/AE to break us down and then joining DNS to wipe us out. On top of all that after DNS broke up they proceed to lock districs and no show when TP left the game and 0.H still after all that was a top 5 corp. So there is a little bit of history into the FA/0.H relationship. However I'm sure 0.H after I left did some questionable things. So our hands aren't pearly white either. Wow...well that's....an interesting re visioning of history. Actually before I formed FA I was friends with Tibs and OH was playing matches against AE and I was invited to participate (only non corpie in the fights!) I did tell Tib's once I learned that Eve support would soon be a reality and that RA had it, and saw the relations breaking down (pissing contests in this very war room from back in those days still exist iirc, OH had anticipated AE joining their alliance and Kujo scoffed at it because he told me he thought Radar was POS leader...which later lead to the NS joining OH's alliance for a moment when they were of the understnading AE was joining and then instead went to RA) FA hadn't attacked any districts or fought against AE aside from ringing contracts...AE wasn't keeping us off the map because the corp was in infancy and we hadn't even discussed gaining districts. Our opportunity for districts came when Tibs saw the potential danger I did with AE gaining OB support and them hitting OH first. I supported that decision and stand by it to this day. You can argue whether it was the right decision in hindsight but it's w/e OH went to war. And the war was close until Radar made a series of fateful mistakes that i've spoken to Tib's about numerous times and he agreed with me...lmao. Things such as OH burning themselves out fighting AE when they didn't have 2. FA attached themselves to OH and tied our fates by openly declaring we were on OH's side...and working to get people who didn't WANT to side with OH (Babar was furious, can't remember what Dubb's feelings were at the time) to fight against AE. OH warring with AE was about striking before Eve support came out and OH got wiped out...as I needed allies to fight with me against AE because I'm from TP...and TP and AE kinda got a history if you knew anything about it. So yeah, OH lost for reasons and FA held their districts...without OH help for 2 weeks until we locked them for Xmas, and then everybody locked up soon after and the cold war started. OH gave us 4 districts AS PAYMENT for my members waking up day after day playing 12-16 hours a day for OH + alliance. And guess what?? FA tried to give OH those districts back! I managed to give them one (1) because they were 2 prideful and Tib's at the time mentioned he wanted to see if OH could even hold one on it's own. They got immediately attacked by Cubs and I damaged my standings with ERA who I was working to remove AE to defend that district...we were successful. And then when they were attacked again OH refused help and lost it. I kept close ties to Tib's and offered him more districts, etc. When Doge came to FA from OH I even turned him away at first telling him that OH was his home and that he could stay there and just ring if he wanted (still have the mail) but he refused. When ERA swapped sides to remove Tso's (btw...the language of your post seems to indicate that joining Tso's was somehow backstabbing OH?) I called on Tib's to help us out. I wanted to crush them all and I knew that the strongest 5 from OH + FA's strongest would crush ERA...I did not know if FA by herself would crush ERA at the time. (I wasn't going to make the same prideful mistakes Radar had in the winter war by refusing to use the best help he had against ringer teams he was facing) OH showed up for the first day (was it two?) of battles and then Tib's actually told me he wanted FA to handle it on our own and encouraged me. I took it to heart and FA smoked the ** out of ERA for the remainder of the week. After that we went to DNS after the corp took a vote to stack DNS in the back (success!) and Tib's was among 3 people out of corp to know along with Cookie and Hawkin. Tib's knew FA members were told to throw matches against OH and WTF while in DNS even as DNS leadership called us on it and were furious. I communicated with him the whole time and even made the plans with him to sell all of DNS districts with him and set a date for when I was back from FF. Before that plan went through plan to attack AE was set and I leaked it to Matt and Kujo and told him to swap all his districts to 1200 and go to war...which he did. Tib's can confirm all of this (I still have my iphone 5 with all these texts on it as well) So the idea that FA wanted TP/AE to break OH is a farce. I actually put a lot of eggs in OH's basket only for them to cold shoulder us post DNS for no apparent reason. They never intimated any of these perceived slights. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5137	Posted - 2015.03.12 12:58:00 - [9] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: No Zatara has said it before to me about the meta part. The rest is actual history. He used 0.H to solidify himself in new eden. But when pressed by TP to bend their knees or fight with 0.H Zatara showed his true self. He would rather choose the easy way then join in a true struggle for dominance. Really I don't blame him it takes a special person to leave the most terrifying alliance in Dust History (Eon) and be labeled a traitor for wanting competition. For my decision 0.H will always carry that Traitor label but I would do it again if allowed. I appreciate the compliment but it's also unfounded. I left EoN. because EoN. was dead and Himiko told me to make a corp...I was going to rebuild Imps for Reg until he quit for PS4...I took all the members I'd recruited like dwater and made a corp. At first FA was purely about ringing for money as an indy corp and proving you didn't have to recycle the same 50 names that people kept poaching (finding people like TTW, Jenova, Dwater, others) in order to become a great corp. "History" Yeah...uh huh. I wanted OH to be our friends because I cared about Tib's and I bought into OH being against superpowers holding ** tons of land and ruining PC for corps who wanted to play. Tib's shared my sentiments. Did fighting for OH solidify our position in New Eden? Well...if solidify is a reference to the fact that FA lost only one district to AE over the course of 40+ defends (I remember the thread they were so happy, lol) until the DNS/AE vs Tso's war..then yeah OH in the fact that they paid us 4 districts helped solidify us. When pressed by TP we gave OH a district (tried to give more), pissed them off by undercutting their business model my offering districts for 1/3 the price TP was selling, and fought them for 17 fights during the war never losing a single battle (with OH there to help us for many! :D) If the corp had chosen to fight DNS from the outside I'd have respected that decision, but it was a corp vote and they made the call. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5137	Posted - 2015.03.12 13:04:00 - [10] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: No Zatara has said it before to me about the meta part. I recall Radar telling me he wipes with his hand. And that he appreciates sum41 and nickelback. :P Come on Radar, let's hug buddy. <(^_^)> Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5137	Posted - 2015.03.12 13:18:00 - [11] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: TL;DR casue lol shep tears EXCEPT! I've yet to see an FA A-team that impressed, met its standard, or followed suit with its own self-hype. Still reminiscing to the nights OH would redline you, and we would face them not hours later and win. Get real, the only A team you were utilized for was to fight lolMH between August and November....without us or OH around, and MuLa blued up. The boots of Tso's in a third world country, congrats. So here I am responding to a guy who actually may be worth talking to and this caught my eye. And it's funny. Yes FA had a very hard time in the summer months..I was on vacation, and FA had to learn how to FC without me...which skel did. Some of our best players had gone to OH (notably Fusion due to a lot of prodding from his D-Uni friends and Catdog because I refused to remove DDB and Cap Aq from our alliance due to batphoning) and we were weaker for it. I also was dealing with a transition not having any of our former tanks around and Derrith was our only reliable full time ADS (Doc when he was around) and we struggled. But it was defending you that put FA in that position with a few members. They left and we were weaker...that was one of the few times I ever made an executive decision and wouldn't let directors over rule me. SMH After DNS was cleaned up the plan had been for RA corps to seek refuge elsewhere. You and John asked me to stay, and I lost great players because I felt it would be cold to leave you out in the cold. However...when I got back from Destiny to work out all the farming that was going on you had told me yourself that you had tried to take some district and you simply couldn't take it from FA...so yeah....rewrite it all you like but it's just BS people know the truth. Honestly Shep you can hate me but I just think you're dumb for being this way. I don't hate Cap. But the BS you're spouting about how FA deserves punishment for farming when Cap was definitely farming (just way less) reeks of hypocrisy. Everyone knows it. Do I think that the farming on FA's part was right? Would I have come back from destiny specifically to fix it if it was? I put threads on here begging for people to give districts to. /thread Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5138	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:44:00 - [12] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: You make it sound as if FA were the ones who overthrew DNS while in actuality it all started when someone kicked AE out of the alliance and massed attacked us so it was fair game at that point. Then a mass attack was sent out thanks to part of NS. I remember FA seeking refuge in DNS because yall were getting attacked by AE and ERA.[/quote] The whole point of going to DNS was to break it up from the inside, so do you think was pushing for ERA to backstab AE? AE swapped their timers long before they were kicked out of alliance and mass attacked. Because I told spoke with Kujo and Matt about it before the mass attack/being kicked out of alliance happened to make sure you had time to prepare. And to your other point about backstabbing sooner...the 2 best laid plans we had were to get someone in ERA to give someone in FA control of districts (which happened and was the reason we planned to mass sell all of their districts) and the other plan was to cause conflict...but it indeed did take a while... Am I taking credit for the fall of DNS? Not a chance. Do I think that leaking intel to AE was important? It played out like it did so who knows... Who knows what would have happened had FA + ERA mass attacked AE before they could swap timers and NS had truly remained out of it (their original intent until Kane pissed them off my trying to splinter support) It's kind of moot. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5138	Posted - 2015.03.13 00:24:00 - [13] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Ironically, the original plan was for FA and ERA to group up and smash up AE. Then Kane and FF14 happened... Definitely ** in my cheerios that's for sure. But Ari was once quoted as saying "something something were only here because we were getting double penetrated by FA + ERA" I can't remember the context anymore, my mind is taxed enough keeping track of the important parts of PC's history required to own people who try to rewrite it with grains of truth among barrels of bullshit. But the point is afaik AE didn't want ERA as allies, they just didn't want to continue facing the combined powers. That at least is satisfying. If Kane and Kujo had really gotten cozy I think I'd have lost my . Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc