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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:51:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:To answer your question True, what I need to know is this:
Names of Holders who brutalize their workers/slaves and which planet/system they are located
How Amarrs act toward their Matari slaves when they attempt to escape and to their slaves in general.
I will think of more later.
No specific names of modern Holders who abuse slaves are known and if they were by Amarrian law those Holder's are to be brought to justice before the Council of Internal Order. This is primarily due to reforms post Heideran III who outlawed the punishment of slaves without cause and is outlined in his text/memoires the Pax Amarria.
That is not to say Holder's don't beat slaves who are disobedient, nor make examples of those who attempt to escape of harm Amarrian citizens, that is their sacred duty, to instruct the slaves in the correct manner of living. If you were to attempt to RP this it would have to be done tastefully. In Amarr society this kind of thing is heavily frowned upon amongst Holder peers who fervently believe it is their duty to cultivate the spirit of slaves, moreover the likelihood of something of this nature is either told in hushed whispers in the courts of the Amarr of completely behind closed doors, and more to the point if whispered something political allies would advise against or cover up.
In summary answer to your question no named Holders who have abused their slaves have been named and shamed nor likely would they even bother taking the risk of brutalising unjustly their own slaves.
For the sake of story telling it currently being discussed amongst the Amarrian capsuleers in EVE about petitions to reform the laws allowing slaves to be sold on the open SCC markets and to place the ownership of slaves and the exchange of slaves solely in the hands of Holders themselves rather than allow them to be at the mercy of a capsuleer with ISK to burn. Perhaps it might suit your interests better, in terms of holding someone personally accountable for the slavery, to hunt down a Free Market Slaver selling slaves into abuse by capsuleers, etc. Killing a Holder is like Downing a Titan...... it doesn't happen often, there's always another one, and it makes the news.
As mentioned previously the according to most sources I've looked into the Amarr are reasonable masters to the point of taking their slaves for granted in manners that suggest to me a very open and familial manner [6.7 Slaves to the household on average]. They use a stern guiding hand to instruct slaves in the correct means of living. This can mean anything from incarceration, to depriving slaves of specific meals, even corporal punishment is tolerated if done justly [aka with specific reason such as attempted escape or hurting Amarrian citizens] and execution would not be a stretch to imagine if the slave refuses to adhere to the rules laid down by his Holder.
Also note that in cannon [chronicles] Slavers or Slaver Hounds are bred to police the slave populations.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slaver_Hound
Also worthy of note Slavers attack from above by leaping down on top of their prey. These are also likely a large cause in slave deaths within the Empire, Hounds attacking slaves that attempt to flee or fight back. One might also assume they are trained to capture runaways rather than kill them.
Also if you have read Theodicy you'd know Amarr have things called Shock Whips which flay the skin from the back while shocking the victim..... I imagine in the modern Empire these are no longer used except by Slavers [illegal practice in Amarr space btw] as surveillance technology and more refined Vitoc ensure slaves really have nowhere to go.
Another little tid bit is that the Amarr educate their slaves, they don't leave them ignorant, in the Amarr Faith so as can be expected a large number of Minmatar slaves, most of which are several generations old in terms of slave stock since no new slaves are being taken, have wholly adopted the Faith as their primary religion and accept that the process their lives will take shall follow the manner the Amarr dictate.
EDITS INBOUND!
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:52:00 -
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Bear in mind there is a partial bias in the above text block but at the same time without that bias you won't find half the information on the subject that PIE Inc can..... at the same time I'm also one of the few on this forum who would care to look at the Amarr objectively.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.11 20:04:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Thanks for the info True, will be working on a massive rewrite of the whole thing. If there's any more info about slave trade and the empire please send it my way. I do not want to f*ck this up.
Well it should be known that Holder's, or the title at least at the only people in Amarr society legally entitled to own slaves, this is also not a term that applied to all nobility as I have recently found out. The Holder is a title given to one member of the entire noble family who is chanrged with keeping the slave populations in line, in order for another noble of commoner to have slaves themselves they sign Custodial Servitude Contracts to acquire slaves.
E.G - Kador is the heir to a very minor destitute noble family, the cousins of cousins bordering on the edge of obscurity, his slave Satja is entrusted to him via a CSC with the legal owner being a Holder somewhere in Upper Domain.
Anything else I'll post here.
"Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs." Pokey Dravon on Spkr4thDead
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:44:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:So if slave trade is illegal on the open market, what would the Amarr Navy do if a slaver ship was found in their territory attempting to sell their slaves? Also if the navy attacks would they spare the slaves and send them to a holder or would they release them?
Likely it depends on the political climate. They'd likely take the slaver ship, enslave the crew and either repatriate the captives or place them in the care of a holder.
However that does not prevent slavers capturing slaves and selling them on the open CONCORD sanctioned markets. A current petition now by capsuleers is seeking for certain groups in the Amarr order to cease listing slave buy orders on the SCC capsuleer free markets.
However if I am not mistaken the Amarr still openly have terrestrial slave markets where Holders can buy and sell slaves so the issue is not that we don't want them to be a commodity its that we wish to reaffirm the spiritual and legal duty of the holders as the sole owners of slaves to prevent capsuleer massacres like Nauplius [aka Slave Butcher] enacted the other day.
Ideally it would prevent Blood Raiders like him purchasing slaves and abusing them, he has over the last year created "Blood Towers" where he has basically tortured and disposed of Slaves to which PIE Inc has responded by destroying every Tower and sending Classiarii alongside Counter Boarding Parties to collect the slaves for repatriation in the Republic.
"Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs." Pokey Dravon on Spkr4thDead
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.11 23:33:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Okay let's say a group of mercenaries board a slave ship in Amarr space, kill the crew and attempt to flee with the slaves, how would the navy react to this?
Probably aggressively. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It's basically through this process how Satja became a slave and how she came to end up with Kador.
- Uncle was formerly an emancipated Slave who was kind to Satja
- She got caught up in anti amarr sentiments with a group of young kids ran her Uncle out of the colonial settlement they were a part of.
- He was imprisoned for preaching the word of the Amarr and eventually killed himself after being freed
- She ended up leaving the settlement to live with relatives whereupon they were attacked by a freelance slaver group.
- Group was intercepted by Imperial Navy and handed over the Ministry of Internal Order, some slaves being repatriated other choosing to go with the Amarr.
- Given to a Holder, and then leased out via CSC contract.
Imperial Perspective:
Communications Officer: Captain we are picking up a short range SOS communique from an unidentified vessel of Amarrian origin requesting aid under the premise that clones are attacking their cargo hauler. I've highlighted their position on the main display for your Lordship.
Captain: Warp to range and scramble their warp capabilities. Preparing Counter Boarding Parties. We must prevent any harm coming to law Imperial citizens.
Communications Officer: Their ship identification appear to not match the current identification codes on active trade registries and they are refusing to disclose the nature of their cargo to us. Scans also indicate a condensed mass of biological life signs from within the ships main cargo hold.
Captain: Hmmmmm..... An illegal trading vessel operating within our jurisdiction. Tell the marines to secure the vessel, no casualties unless provoked, we'll conduct a full investigation of our mystery ship once these clone aggressors are dead.
Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you.
Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
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