DUST Search - (Idea) Charge Heavy Machine Gun: Good or Bad???

Thokk Nightshade wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Thokk Nightshade wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

we basically have this weapon already. We call it the "Forge Gun"

It's not even close to the same thing. Lets compare:

Forge: single shot, 1200 damage per shot ish, low rate of fire, long range.

This: machine gun, 11 damage per shot, high rate of fire, short range.

Why do you do this on so many heavy wrapon threads. The comparison is 1: horrible 2: does nothing to assist the conversation. Are you anti- new heavy weapon or just trying to be a jerk?

The description of a short range weapon with a 2 second charge time is amazingly terribad in concept. It serves no useful purpose save getting the operator killed.

Although the guy above the post I'm quoting was even worse. Pretty sure he was trolling.

No trolll. It is a serious question for you. Normally I like your insight but in this I am pointing out the flaw in your argument. An HMG is not a forge gun. This concept HMG is not a forge gun. If you would have said "we have an HMG and this should be a variant" it would be ok. But saying it is the same thing as a forge gun is illogical. Last year I posted an idea for a heavy rail rifle and you said almost verbatim the same thing "we have it already. It's a forge gun" Explain how a heavy rail rifle or a charge HMG are the same thing as a forge gun. I just don't understand how you are making that correlation. It doesn't make sense.

WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:02:00 - [1] - Quote we basically have this weapon already. We call it the "Forge Gun" WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.03 20:34:00 - [2] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: we basically have this weapon already. We call it the "Forge Gun" It's not even close to the same thing. Lets compare: Forge: single shot, 1200 damage per shot ish, low rate of fire, long range. This: machine gun, 11 damage per shot, high rate of fire, short range. Why do you do this on so many heavy wrapon threads. The comparison is 1: horrible 2: does nothing to assist the conversation. Are you anti- new heavy weapon or just trying to be a jerk? The description of a short range weapon with a 2 second charge time is amazingly terribad in concept. It serves no useful purpose save getting the operator killed. Although the guy above the post I'm quoting was even worse. Pretty sure he was trolling. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.03 23:28:00 - [3] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: we basically have this weapon already. We call it the "Forge Gun" It's not even close to the same thing. Lets compare: Forge: single shot, 1200 damage per shot ish, low rate of fire, long range. This: machine gun, 11 damage per shot, high rate of fire, short range. Why do you do this on so many heavy wrapon threads. The comparison is 1: horrible 2: does nothing to assist the conversation. Are you anti- new heavy weapon or just trying to be a jerk? The description of a short range weapon with a 2 second charge time is amazingly terribad in concept. It serves no useful purpose save getting the operator killed. Although the guy above the post I'm quoting was even worse. Pretty sure he was trolling. No trolll. It is a serious question for you. Normally I like your insight but in this I am pointing out the flaw in your argument. An HMG is not a forge gun. This concept HMG is not a forge gun. If you would have said "we have an HMG and this should be a variant" it would be ok. But saying it is the same thing as a forge gun is illogical. Last year I posted an idea for a heavy rail rifle and you said almost verbatim the same thing "we have it already. It's a forge gun" Explain how a heavy rail rifle or a charge HMG are the same thing as a forge gun. I just don't understand how you are making that correlation. It doesn't make sense. because the mechanic is functionally the same. And putting a long charge on a short range weapon is pretty much a guaranteed dead operator. also your heavy rail rifle as described was a forge gun with a zoom function, and pretty much filled the same purpose. It's doubling up where we need diversity, not redundancy. the reason I say a charged HMG is bad is because by the time you charge it, most rifles (and every other heavy weapon in the game) have already killed you. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.04 11:57:00 - [4] - Quote Sennina Sovereign wrote: To improve this idea a bit, make its effective range be around 65-70 meters and its optimal range be around 150 meters. I was thinking of the Charge HMG to be a long range AI heavy weapon that is devasting in mid-far range while being difficult to use in short range. There are much better weapon platforms In the game for a charge mechanic. When you stick it on a machinegun it comes off wrong, like it was added "just because." Lasers? Sure. Railguns? I'll buy it. Plasma? Why not? Bullets from a mechanical, gas-operated self-resetting, continuously moving bullet hose? Not only does it make no sense, the concept wouldn't serve any useful purpose. There's a certain amount of suspension of disbelief that is required to justify how the tech works. We don't really have common use weapon analogues of the laser, plasma and rail tech. But we do have lots of bullets. And I've yet to see one that has to be charged. Not even current miniguns have a percievable spool time. Pull trigger and begin killing. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.