This is why I want heavies out of CQC.

The primary resistance isn't because it's a bad idea. it's because people like winning 90% of the time. Making sentinels the open ground powerhouses would threaten that because they'd be exposed to the stuff that'll tear them to ribbons.

in close it's just shotguns, REs, NK and other fatties with maybe occasionally being shot in the face with a PLC.

in the open it's HAVs, ADS, charge sniper, tac sniper, forge guns, rail rifles, ACR, LAVs with decent turrets, also fast movers with the traditional assassination methods because you have to fall back to cover to regen/resupply sooner or later.

For shield sents you have the additional threat of scrams, and the laser rifle.

in close the HMG more or less outclasses everything. in the open, even if you outrange them with an HMG they still have a fighting chance to kill you.

However, armor has more health without hardeners than shields do. Shield hardeners should provide more ehp simply because shields have far less health to work with.

Yeah, us shield mercs are screwed.

Incorrect. Because area denial roles require mobility. Heavies don't have that. The idea of a heavy being outside but being dangerous at range doesn't work because the heavy can't move around the battle field and change their area of denial. All they do is become open area campers and can't really commit to the battle very often as, when said battle moves or changes, that heavy won't catch up to the next fight till it is already over. Heavies will earn virtually no WP. Basically, they will be the closer range, slower moving version of a redline sniper.

That's the reason why people who play a lot of Sent don't want to do this. Mobility is the single most important factor in long range battles -- and since Sents don't have it they won't be able to do it.

Heavies out of CQC is a ludicrous idea. Change map design so that more points are open with no cover. That would right there solve your problem with no changes needed.

Breakin is right about one thing though -- this won't kick heavies out of CQC at all. It might reduce the number of them though.

how did you come to that conclusion? any data would be based on broken armor tank fitting. youre giving armor tanks equal resists but better damage, and speed, thanks to the addition high slots and fitting.

fast, hard hitting, tanks with armor reps that surpass passive shields reps. the only thing that was saving shield tanks were their shield hardeners, and only when stacked. i dont see how shield tanks will be competitive against the new armor tanks. and i dont want to wait another 3 years for you to gather data before deciding that youve buff armor tanking too much.

you couldve fixed armor tanks simply by adjusting their fitting. but now your messing with modules no complained about.

the problem:

armor hardeners increase armor rep effectiveness. youll be reincarnating the tripple rep maddy.

dual hardener, dual rep. thats 305 armor hp/s with ~75% damage reduction. thats almost double repper effectiveness.

is no one concerned?

Pleeeeease can it be a heavy beam laser?
I've been wanting that for years now.

Don't forget, swarms are also the most skillless weapon in the game.

It doesnt need a good player to just point the swarm launcher at the general direction of a vehicle, get a lock on and then fire the swarm volley. So yes it does not require skill cause once you done that the swarms will fly sright towards the targeted vehicle.

Multiple lasers are a little scarier tbh.

I'm reading it as one big giant vehicle nerf frankly with more power to AV again.


AHMG will be the only HMG to go for, the ability to kill infantry and vehicles at the same time and it will be easy for infantry. The last time vehicles had a turret which could do this it got nerfed and accuracy replaced with luck.

The PLC, nice it got a buff but it will still perform the worst out of the AV weapons, even the new AHMG will do better while the SL is still king for the no skill players and it is still broken and needs to be removed and reworked or outright deleted.


The small blaster turret gets a small buff but requires me to use a secondary person to kill infantry, will it take 2 AV to kill the vehicle overall?

The large railgun, increase ammo and increase heat means i will still only be able to fire 4 shots and then overheat, so no change.

The large missile, less ammo, lower ROF and longer reload time while it still has next to 0 splash damage for a 6ft missile in which it is outclassed by a grenade/flaylock/mass driver/PLC and anything else with splash.

The large blaster, less ammo, smaller clip, lower ROF and more heat, nice nerfs

Overall the turrets are mostly nerfed again.


Shield regulators a new low slot module but if it is inferior to an armor module then armor is king, still no sign of nanofibres/torque modules/power diagnostic system modules or even the removal of active damage mods and back to the low slot passive versions which exist in EVE.

Active heat sink, an actual old module i remember and used.

Active dispersion module so that my blaster doesn't miss a LAV at 50m, still not a fan of the luck replaces accuracy gun model that we have.


LAV - Big nerf so they are basically coffins on wheels, a Cal sentinal has more shield hp than a LAV and if this new LAV rolls over i can see it blowing up, will be used for getting to a point quickly but if you plan on fitting it up and using it then it wont work because it will still be very weak.

HAV - Madrugar - 'We created one (the same) loadout of the new slot layout for each tier, using standard, advanced and prototype gear in each tier, all at max skills' - Cookie cutter fits, no variety in there at all, i'm hoping i have enough PG/CPU to mix it up but if not then everyone runs the same fit as they already do now. The only good thing is the improved armor hardener.

HAV - 'Prototype' - No they are not, If you compare a Basic Gallente Medium Frame to a Prototype Gallente Medium Frame you can see the difference is in PG/CPU amounts and slot layout which is improved between each tier. With vehicles and the HAV this is not the case, the slot layout is the same across all tiers which does not increase variety, it just means that from basic to prototype the modules will go from basic to prototype.

HAV - Training cost mulitplier x4 to x8 - What is the skill bonus? I do not want to skill 2.7mil for nothing like what happens in the majority of vehicle skills now.


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What about the the 3 phases of bring back didn't you understand? We actually managed to add three modules, that were NOT a part of phase 1. To remind you.

1) Progression for HAVs and Balance tweaks
2) Additional Modules and Balance tweaks
3) Racial Hulls - this could not and can not happen until we know 1) and 2) have been successful.

Very unhappy with the reaction to a lot of work on our and the community's behalf on vehicles. Coupled with the constant negativity, this is not an encouragement to keep working on 2) and 3), frankly.

"One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...

Firstly I apologise it was an unkind and poorly thought out knee jerk reaction born of a long practised negativity. I do genuinely appreciate what you and your guys are doing, especially tackling vehicles, and engaging us on the subject. And though I do appreciate it I do have a few concerns that I'll voice else where. The latter comment was as previously mentioned passion for a specific kind of gameplay masquerading as something it was not.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful even though I suppose is very much so do.....not so easy to detach as I previously told myself it was and I certainly don't mean to be discouraging.

The changes are a good start, I do hope you build on them and we can see some real change.