Exactly. Some pilots just keep hammering this topic in an effort to win some forum points. Nobody is listening to this particular rhetoric at CCP.

How can we get swamers to be more involved in shooting down thier ariel foes without over-exposing them to infantry any longer than necessary?

Wow! That is some mighty fine isk QQ.
At most a proto ADS is what 2 mil isk, at most!

The best fit Python is over half a million ISK. I would imagine the Incubus is right around the same number. With vehicles, I usually restock the individual parts; suits is wholesale restock.

You blow up 2 proto logis and you just destroyed your worth in proto gear. This is not a conversation about isk, because then we get into killing potential.

Two logis equates to 2mil ISK? What are you talking about?

My cheapest full proto fitting costs me 250k.

Entirely your decision to use cheap stuff or PRO stuff. If you can't afford to lose PRO gear, don't complain about it.

The prices of everything in isk has come down.

I remember when the IAFG cost 117k ISK. I only had 5 of those fits; I had 20 fits with an ADV forge. Yeah, infantry gear is dirt cheap compared to a vehicle. A PRO turret alone costs more than a PRO suit.

Lets not make that a factor in what should rock paper scissor what, because the ADS will lose that conversation. It is like the HMG, kills a lot in several situations so the swarms are the nerf the ADS received.

Seems the only answer has been to buff AV and infantry weapons, while simultaneously nerfing vehicles.

Swarms are fine where they are and the good ADS pilots have accepted them as they stand.

Swarms are not fine. Do you have any SP in vehicles? Do you use vehicles at all?


ADS should be more worried about the new tank hulls, IMO.

There's no bonus to railguns, which is the ideal vehicle counter to an ADS.

BTW - In PC, we are seeing very few swarms shooting down ADS. If you have infantry support an ADS is insanely powerful. Pubs have the swarms taking down ADS and they are only effective if there is no infantry support and proto swarms.

They chase them off pretty well. There's forge guns on the rings, and swarms somewhere on the other side of the compound. Essentially that's the only socket I've played in PC, and I have a lot of PC experience in a tank.

To respond to the "I don't want Swarms to surprise kill me due to rendering." Welcome to the world of surprise ADS missiles killing infantry or scouts with REs.

You hear a dropship coming. The only time you don't is when you're not paying any attention at all.

In this game, you will die sometimes, you have been warned. Please stop stunting the growth of this game.

It sure isn't helping with retainment, and outright not encouraging anybody to decide to be a pilot.

If we are at it to discuss stupid mechanics on ADS (not swarm vs ADS) could we please get rid of the auto re-center of the camera? That way a ADS actually could aim preciely and not do the "camera slingshot" where you tilt your thumbstick down and need to guess when to fire your turret.

Holy ****... that is a ****ing first. Constructive feedback.

What the everloving ****.

You're so cute.
We all know your opinion. Yes, I do use vehicles (Mostly LAVs and HAVs) and I use derp ships mostly to get up high, so no ADS for me because the firing mechanics.

The ADS is hard to use. I have it.

My friend does do ADS and in all but wide open maps the swarms are blocked as long as you aren't hovering right over them raining death. Stay moving and you can outrun the swarm death of a single commando.

No, 3 volleys cannot be outrun until you're right at the edge of lock on range.

Combined fire will win over you though as it should.

That requires teamwork, and the people here don't want to use teamwork.

People not want to be pilots? You must smoke some good stuff! The controls are tough and there really isn't a cheap or easy way to practice which is the main barrier.

Would you want to waste SP into vehicle upgrades when you only have a few million? Better off throwing it all into infantry. We get BPOs from boxes now, little reason to get ISK weapons and suits when you get AUR gear for free.

BTW - You don't logi, just shhhh. Proto min logi, 8 proto slots filled, 4 pieces of proto equip, a proto gun, and wish I could fit a poto nade but no pg or cpu for one at all, even when maxed in those upgrades (CPU&PG).

And how would you know I'm not a logi? Have you ever played with me? Have you ever played against me? I've had PRO Min and Gal logi, obviously with PRO gear. I now have PRO Amarr logi, and the only equipment I haven't skilled into is the scanner, because of only 3 slots at ADV and PRO. You don't know me, so how the hell do you assume I don't have any logi suits at all?

You must only know vehicles. No wonder you don't understand AV which has 2 sides. It all makes sense now!
(Wanted to say more, but trying to not play your game.)

You're a flying idiot. I have PRO swarms and plasma cannon, with PRO Min and Gal commandos. I used to have PRO forge, but dropped it. I had it paired up with the Min sentinel, which was and is pathetically weak. I know vehicles very well, I started using them in Chrome. I also know AV pretty well, having multiple forms of PRO AV, as well as having to escape and evade it in a vehicle.

Again, you're assuming a hell of a lot without knowing anything about me.

Then please explain the interesting phenomenon i experience where a dropship swoops in, starts wreaking havoc, and then hits afterburner as soon as i fire a swarm and STILL flies straight up into the sky, perfectly evading all my missiles until they run out of fuel?

100%. Whoa. 21 more meter range than the other HMG types. 63m range, out ranging most gallente rifles. Eats LAVs for breakfast, the kind of cowardly tankers that jump out with a heavy and a forge when their tank is in trouble can finish off a gunlogi and kill the pilot if he jumps out as well without changing weapons

Goodbye boundless, good bye burst, there is a new king in town.

The HMG is Dead, Long live the AMHG.