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CCP Rattati wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

That's... a very high AV DPS on the AHMG.

That's going to outDPS all other AV weapons, actually. Is that intentional? Of all the AV weapons, the AHMG is the one that can be best used against infantry in addition to its AV role.

I don't think so, can you demonstrate with numbers please :), to err is to be human so anything is possible.

Galmando PLC with Echo buff
Minmando Swarm
Top AHMG sentinel

all at max skills.

Righto, I haven't actually run the numbers yet and that was off the top of my head, so let's go.
Will disregard proficiency for all weapons because it only applies to certain damage types. Let's look at raw damage.

Summary at the bottom.

Galmando with Allotek does 1870 damage per shot (glorious).
Reload time with Galmando is 3.5*.75 = 2.25. Charge time with maxed skill is 0.45s. Therefore max fire rate without lag and with perfect timing is one shot per 2.7 seconds.

1870/2.7 = 692 DPS

Minmando with Wiyrkomis does 1373 damage per volley. Lock on time is 1.05s with max skills.

I'm not entirely sure how to calculate swarm DPS, honestly. I know there's a forced delay between lock ons and the SDE suggests that's 1 second, but I might be reading the wrong thing. Let's go with the 1 second number for now.

1373 damage per 2.05 seconds means 669 DPS.

Top AHMG sentinel:

The best case scenario for an AHMG is on the Galsent because it can fit 2x damage mods. 2x HDMs gives about a 9% damage increase.

The proto AHMG does 616 DPS under the current proposal. 616*1.09 = 671 DPS

Let's add the forge gun to this list.

Your normal proto forge gun hits for 1440 damage every 3 seconds. With the same circumstances as the AHMG, this leads to 523 DPS. An IAFG will do substantially more at 726 DPS.

Summary:

So under optimal circumstances:
PLCs do 692 DPS.
Swarms do 669 DPS (?)
AHMGs do 671 DPS
FGs do 523 DPS
IAFGs do 726 DPS

Hm. They're all very close, really. AHMG does very similar damage to swarms and marginally less than the Galmando PLC. Bearing in mind that the Galmando does wonderful, wonderful things to the placon I will point out that a double damage modded non-commando allotek placon without the bonus does 481 DPS. The placon is comparatively only viable on the Galmando, then.

Anyhow, looks like I was wrong about it outDPSing -all- other AV weapons. However, it's very similar in terms of DPS to all the others! IAFGs are the only ones that noticeably outDPS it, at 50 DPS more, and that's a difference of less than 10%.

My concern is that it can very viably compete with all other AV options on raw DPS (and indeed, if those other AV options aren't in optimal circumstances it will noticeably outDPS a good few of them) while being much easier to use than the other options and also being by far the most effective against infantry.

No other AV weapon offers anywhere near as much anti-infantry capability as the AHMG, but the AHMG is right up there with the best of the AV options at the same time. It offers, quite literally, the best of both worlds.

Good, thanks, I had done the same but the work was at the office. Now, only the swarm, the highest dps AV weapon, is the only weapon with no AI capability, as it should. The other ones do both have solid OHK AI capabilities, so the AHMG isn't alone there. However, it does have heat so should be balanced by that. Other than that, I am happy to welcome the Minmatar AV weapon to the game and now we are only missing a heavy laser of some sort. Pirate


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Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 439	Posted - 2015.03.08 21:49:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: That's... a very high AV DPS on the AHMG. That's going to outDPS all other AV weapons, actually. Is that intentional? Of all the AV weapons, the AHMG is the one that can be best used against infantry in addition to its AV role. I don't think so, can you demonstrate with numbers please :), to err is to be human so anything is possible. Galmando PLC with Echo buff Minmando Swarm Top AHMG sentinel all at max skills. Righto, I haven't actually run the numbers yet and that was off the top of my head, so let's go. Will disregard proficiency for all weapons because it only applies to certain damage types. Let's look at raw damage. Summary at the bottom. Galmando with Allotek does 1870 damage per shot (glorious). Reload time with Galmando is 3.5.75 = 2.25. Charge time with maxed skill is 0.45s. Therefore max fire rate without lag and with perfect timing is one shot per 2.7 seconds. 1870/2.7 = 692 DPS Minmando with Wiyrkomis does 1373 damage per volley. Lock on time is 1.05s with max skills. I'm not entirely sure how to calculate swarm DPS, honestly. I know there's a forced delay between lock ons and the SDE suggests that's 1 second, but I might be reading the wrong thing. Let's go with the 1 second number for now. 1373 damage per 2.05 seconds means 669 DPS. Top AHMG sentinel: The best case scenario for an AHMG is on the Galsent because it can fit 2x damage mods. 2x HDMs gives about a 9% damage increase. The proto AHMG does 616 DPS under the current proposal. 6161.09 = 671 DPS Let's add the forge gun to this list. Your normal proto forge gun hits for 1440 damage every 3 seconds. With the same circumstances as the AHMG, this leads to 523 DPS. An IAFG will do substantially more at 726 DPS. Summary: So under optimal circumstances: PLCs do 692 DPS. Swarms do 669 DPS (?) AHMGs do 671 DPS FGs do 523 DPS IAFGs do 726 DPS Hm. They're all very close, really. AHMG does very similar damage to swarms and marginally less than the Galmando PLC. Bearing in mind that the Galmando does wonderful, wonderful things to the placon I will point out that a double damage modded non-commando allotek placon without the bonus does 481 DPS. The placon is comparatively only viable on the Galmando, then. Anyhow, looks like I was wrong about it outDPSing -all- other AV weapons. However, it's very similar in terms of DPS to all the others! IAFGs are the only ones that noticeably outDPS it, at 50 DPS more, and that's a difference of less than 10%. My concern is that it can very viably compete with all other AV options on raw DPS (and indeed, if those other AV options aren't in optimal circumstances it will noticeably outDPS a good few of them) while being much easier to use than the other options and also being by far the most effective against infantry. No other AV weapon offers anywhere near as much anti-infantry capability as the AHMG, but the AHMG is right up there with the best of the AV options at the same time. It offers, quite literally, the best of both worlds. Good, thanks, I had done the same but the work was at the office. Now, only the swarm, the highest dps AV weapon, is the only weapon with no AI capability, as it should. The other ones do both have solid OHK AI capabilities, so the AHMG isn't alone there. However, it does have heat so should be balanced by that. Other than that, I am happy to welcome the Minmatar AV weapon to the game and now we are only missing a heavy laser of some sort. ETA?
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 440	Posted - 2015.03.10 11:24:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Ratitti can you increase the militia locus grenade bpo from one to two grenades Listening to Biomassed Podcast talk about Hotfix so I looked at it at the same time and this was something I thought would be good.Core Locus have two nades give the Militia a fighting chance.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 440	Posted - 2015.03.10 11:33:00 - [3] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Rifles have 1% efficiency against vehicles (or thereabouts) so can inflict no damage. AHMG has 100% in Hotfix Echo. 100%. Whoa. 21 more meter range than the other HMG types. 63m range, out ranging most gallente rifles. Eats LAVs for breakfast, the kind of cowardly tankers that jump out with a heavy and a forge when their tank is in trouble can finish off a gunlogi and kill the pilot if he jumps out as well without changing weapons Goodbye boundless, good bye burst, there is a new king in town. The HMG is Dead, Long live the AMHG. well if it's meant for AV, shouldn't it have crazy dispersion? it should have alot more recoil and a lot less accuracy. AND it should be given spool up time before firing What if AV HMG Weapon had a Armor/Sheild modifier that only affects infantry 50 % but keep its 100 % against vehicles
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 440	Posted - 2015.03.10 11:59:00 - [4] - Quote https://trello.com/c/o4IG0w7m/500-militia-grenade-and-militia-bpo-grenade-increase-carried-to-two Can you increase Militia Grenades carried to Two carried. Proto Core locus carry two can we give the Militia a fighting chance. And AV Nades are being increased carried to Three.