OMG, you halfed the ROF of the Missile Turret!! WTH??? You reduced it's ammo. What is the reasoning behind this? Not only do I rarely see missile launchers, now you nerfed the living crap out of it? You do realize that repping armor tanks will just rep through our flipping missiles not to mention the stupid reload time is 1.5x what it was before?

YOU MONSTER! Every patch update there is good stuff and there is this sort of bad stuff. At least give missiles 300 RoF, and why reduce ammo?

Spamming missiles in one direction was the only way I could infantry and now I wouldn't be able to do that. Every patch, everything I use get's nerfed. I'm sick and tired of this flipping game.

Yes, i'm mad.


Wowwwwwww..... I just noticed missiles and railguns will now have the same ammo. This better mean one of my flipping missiles is doing 1700 damage dust like a shot from a railgun. Oh, it doesn't? Then why take away my god dam ammo? What reason will I have to use a Large missile launcher over a a railgun? WHAT REASON WILL I FLIIPPING HAVEE???

THANKS FOR THE EFFING WASTE OF SP AGAIN. FIRST MY SP GOT WASTED WHEN YOU NERFED THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF ADS AND NOW MY FLIPPING MISSILES WHICH REQUIRE TURRET OPERATION TO LEVEL 5 ISNTEAD OF 1. THE WAY IT'S LOOKING RIGHT NOW, THE LARGE MISSILE WILL BARLEY BE ANY BETTER THAN THE SMALL. THANK YOU CCP. YES IM SUPER MAD.

Shield tanks being nerfed to a point where they are equal to todays armor tanks. Armor tanks being buffed to hell. God, with every little stupid hotfix by rattati, I regert speccing into what every he tries to balance.

CCP WHY ARE MISSILES GETTING NERFED SO MUCH. ACTUALLY AT ALL?

To be fair, the instagank mechanic really made armor tanking unenjoyable because well....no one likes to be instaganked with little ability to retaliate. I think something needed to change, but I also don't think I'm a huge fan of what happened. From what I can tell the damage per magazine didn't change, it just takes twice as long to apply the damage now and then....more reload time for some reason.

I guess I feel like the concept of "I have to drop all 12 of these missiles into the guy and instakill it, otherwise I'm going to die during the reload" is.....really not going to be enjoyable overall. At the very least i don't think it suits a Missile Turret. I mean lets try to look at it this way:

Blasters do crazy DPS up close with good tracking, but fail at long range due to falloff and sustained damage because of overheat and magazine size.

Railguns do good burst damage at range with crappy tracking, but fail at close range due to tracking and sustained damage because of overheat and magazine size.

Typically Missiles in EVE are useful because they are effective at any range from 0km to their max flight range of Xkm. They quite good at doing long sustained damage thats typically very consistent DPS. So why don't we instead move away from the "Instagank" concept we're trying to dance around with Missiles and go with a more "Effective at many ranges with moderate DPS but supurb sustained DPS because it lacks an overheat mechanic". In other words I would drop down the damage per magazine considerably, but also drastically decrease the reload time. That way the first volley is not lethal, but it will do considerable damage to an enemy vehicle (Preferably with its hardener down) but not kill it, and then quickly recover with a swift reload for round 2.

The idea is that you want to ambush the vehicle to do as much damage as you can with the hardener down with the full understanding that you're not going to kill it, so that when the hardener does come up, the target vehicle is at much lower starting HP for the engagement. Missiles should be effective at both short and long range, and while they may not be able to out-DPS the other turrets within their overheat time, their sustained DPS is considerably higher once the Blaster and Rail have to wait to cool off/reload.

Yes, the DPS was excessive, and I agree with that nerf.

I don't agree with ANY of the other ones though. Reload speed should have actually had a buff to compensate for rails getting a larger magazine, total ammo increased instead of decreased.... I listed all of my reasons earlier. Missiles will be completely irrelevant to the rail after Echo.

haha yeah missiles are the reason Maddies don't show up, but it's swarm missiles, not large missiles. Large missiles are even rarer than Madrugars.

So I don't know if you've ever tried using blasters against a Madrugar, but it's way more effective than using missiles on a Gunnlogi. Or using missiles against infantry. Or missiles against anything except a Madrugar who doesn't know you're there.

Which warranted a DPS nerf. Not a nerf to every stat besides range...

That's alot worse than armor...stacking extenders and a cardiac reg? Good luck with the crappy regen, you may as well use armor at that point.

Gunlogis don't use nitro, maddy's do.

If they are going to be the same in strength, cooldown and uptimes need to be equal as well. So nope, not against it at all.

I doubt anyone will listen to one of the few people who have actually been using the small blaster over the past few months...

They do not need buffing
Don't ask me why no one uses them, or why some people who get in my tank/LAV can't hit a heavy stood still directly in front of them. But for gods sake, trust me when I say I can mow people down with them.

1v1 against a blaster LAV, infantry is boned, it can't run fast enough to escape, unless it's right next to cover (and even then it's 50/50.) A tank with one small blaster on the front, can mow down swarmers (which I like, but the infantry will not.) Forge gunners are so fat and slow, you will almost always get a headshot kill.


This isn't going to adversely affect me in any way, it's just going to make me stronger. But please Rattati, try one of these things out in a few matches, get used to aiming with it and see just how wrong this buff is.


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Everything else looks interesting, if not promising, especially nerfing the spray-ability of the rails and upping the cost of multiple hardeners.

The majority of players can't pilot an ads for peanuts, but that hasn't stopped balance being based around those who can use them.

I've always seen the jumpyness of the small turrets as a problem by itself, which this will not solve... This will leave it just as difficult to hit something while moving, while everyone complains about the drivers who position well and slow down to let them shoot... Followed by a nerf.

I could be wrong though... Time will likely tell.

Base tank hp got nerfed too, as it was LAV's had higher base HP than the new tanks so something had to give..

@ CCP Rattati and Swarm Rhetoric

The mechinics of how swarms work is the issue. With a certain range Swarms are mathermatically garunteed a hit, and beyond a certain range Dropships mathematically are garunteed escape.

Before the hotifx Delta changes, the mathematics were heavily stacked in the dropships favor. Hit Afterburner, and you escape beyond a point where swarms in flight would never catch up. Toggleing a switch required very little pilot skill then. No matter what a swarmer did, the math was stacked against him/her.

Currently the situation is inverse. Hitting afterburner will not let you escape from swarms in flight, just from swarm lock on range. Now the math is heavily stacked against the pilot. Swarms in flight will always catch up with a Dropship. Hitting a switch doesnt work anymore (which is fine) but niether does any combat manuevers a pilot may pull off.


tldr: before it took little skill to dodge swarms no matter how good the swarmer, or how much work the swarmer put into his/her tactics, today it takes little skill to land a hit with swarms no matter how good the pilot.

The question is how do we bring skills of both parties into play? This is much more important than nerfing.

How can we get swamers to be more involved in shooting down thier ariel foes without over-exposing them to infantry any longer than necessary?

Who is more likely to die, the swarmer or the ADS?

So us supporting our preferred role without bending is unreasonable?

Then you only notice their presence by their RDV and the presence of a suicide on the killboard.
Scrubs can't fly ADS, even if they are able to handle ordinary dropships.