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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:44:00 -
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Right now range amps are pretty useless; proto range amps on a cal scout gives 5m to medium, 6m to far passive scan range, and on other suits it's less.
To fix that they should give these flat non-percentile bonuses (stacking penalties should still apply):
Complex: 15m
Advanced: 10m
Standard: 5m
Suits, Tanks, a mode
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:46:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Right now range amps are pretty useless; proto range amps on a cal scout gives 5m to medium and 6m to far passive scan range and on other suits it's less.
To fix that they should give these flat non-percentile bonuses (stacking penalties should still apply):
Complex: 15m
Advanced: 10m
Standard: 5m
na. let people play. No stacking penalty. there's really no reason we shouldn't be able to USE the damn radars.
AV
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
Lokun Listamenn
133
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:59:00 -
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I like it EVE online style. Why can't we have 20%/25%/30% with stacking penalties applying?
At the same time classes that should be good at spotting(scouts, assaults to a lesser degree) should have base values that make signal amps useful
I also like sensor boosters, for a little extra range in a pinch, but I won't push that here.
The only reason I'd advocate stacking penalties is because its canon and eve works well.
We shouldnt shy away from eve style handling of modules when dust is sorta broken and eve is sorta not..
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Nocturnal Soul
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:21:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like it EVE online style. Why can't we have 20%/25%/30% with stacking penalties applying?
At the same time classes that should be good at spotting(scouts, assaults to a lesser degree) should have base values that make signal amps useful
I also like sensor boosters, for a little extra range in a pinch, but I won't push that here.
The only reason I'd advocate stacking penalties is because its canon and eve works well.
We shouldnt shy away from eve style handling of modules when dust is sorta broken and eve is sorta not..
Lol have you seen a ishtar?
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:03:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like it EVE online style. Why can't we have 20%/25%/30% with stacking penalties applying?
At the same time classes that should be good at spotting(scouts, assaults to a lesser degree) should have base values that make signal amps useful
I also like sensor boosters, for a little extra range in a pinch, but I won't push that here.
The only reason I'd advocate stacking penalties is because its canon and eve works well.
We shouldnt shy away from eve style handling of modules when dust is sorta broken and eve is sorta not.. Lol have you seen a ishtar?
Ssshhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Shush you.
Still love that Kirby sig
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
234
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:26:00 -
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I would prefer to have something like
std + 15%
adv +21%
proto + 27%
or
std +6m
adv +7m
proto +7.8m
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:30:00 -
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Buffing range extenders without a cap on the inner circle will completely negate certain CQC play styles, that is why they were nerfed when EWAR circles were added in the first place.
They shouldn't be buffed unless they can only benefit the medium and long ranges.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:48:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like it EVE online style. Why can't we have 20%/25%/30% with stacking penalties applying?
At the same time classes that should be good at spotting(scouts, assaults to a lesser degree) should have base values that make signal amps useful
I also like sensor boosters, for a little extra range in a pinch, but I won't push that here.
The only reason I'd advocate stacking penalties is because its canon and eve works well.
We shouldnt shy away from eve style handling of modules when dust is sorta broken and eve is sorta not.. Lol have you seen a ishtar?
More like gon' get nerfedtar amirte?
Our lives are nothing but a means to an end.
AIV member.
21 day EVE trial.
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The-Errorist
1083
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Posted - 2015.03.08 11:51:00 -
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I changed my mind about having a non-percentile bonus, I have new numbers and an interactive (spreadsheet) now.
One Eyed King wrote:Buffing range extenders without a cap on the inner circle will completely negate certain CQC play styles, that is why they were nerfed when EWAR circles were added in the first place.
They shouldn't be buffed unless they can only benefit the medium and long ranges.
The inner circle benefits the least little compared to medium and long ranges. With with max skills, the base ranges of all light, medium, as well as basic heavies are: 7.5m close, 22.5m medium, and 30m far.
Assuming a complex range amp gives 35%, here's what stacking them would do for close range:
0)7.5m
1)10.1m
2)13.2m
3)15.8m
By the 3rd amp, the close ring range will have grown by +8.3m.
What do you guys think about that?
Suits, Tanks, a mode
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The-Errorist
1084
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Posted - 2015.03.09 02:56:00 -
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Nobody clicked on the spreadsheet?
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Velvet Overkill
SI6MA
Learning Alliance
132
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Posted - 2015.03.12 17:15:00 -
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Bump (my alt The-Errorist is temp banned from forums) |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2015.03.14 20:46:00 -
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I want!
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Velvet Overkill
SI6MA
Learning Alliance
137
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Posted - 2015.03.17 15:36:00 -
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Does anyone have anything so say about the numbers I'm suggesting? |
Francois Sanchez
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2015.03.17 15:48:00 -
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The problem is that the short range becomes to large. You basically can't approach an Amarr scout with 2 precision mods, even if you put 4 dampeners on a gal scout.
That's why CCP hammer nerfed range amplifiers and made them useless.
The solution is to have different bonuses on different ranges, for example :
pro range amplifier :
short +15%
medium +25%
long +35% |
Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
108
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Posted - 2015.03.17 16:10:00 -
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basic 15%, adv 20%, proto 25%.
We don't need again Caldari's scouts who can see you 65m, and kill you with kaalakiota RR
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7808
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:32:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Buffing range extenders without a cap on the inner circle will completely negate certain CQC play styles, that is why they were nerfed when EWAR circles were added in the first place.
They shouldn't be buffed unless they can only benefit the medium and long ranges.
Solution:
Fix inner ring at X meters (say 5m - 7.5m). Set Range Extenders to extend middle and outer rings.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Velvet Overkill
SI6MA
Learning Alliance
147
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:58:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:The problem is that the short range becomes to large. You basically can't approach an Amarr scout with 2 precision mods, even if you put 4 dampeners on a gal scout.
That's why CCP hammer nerfed range amplifiers and made them useless.
The solution is to have different bonuses on different ranges, for example :
pro range amplifier :
short +15%
medium +25%
long +35%
It would actually just take 3 damps on a gal scout to get under the close ring precision of a am scout with 2 precision mods. Anyway I see your point and yeah, it would be best if the short range didn't get the full benefit of the range amps.
Adipem Nothi's solution of having a fixed inner ring range and have range amps only work on medium and long range would also work.
Using this account until The-Errorist is unbanned on April 10th.
AV vs Dropship
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:06:00 -
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I SUPPORT
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