Get out.

Forge guns take 3.25 seconds to fire at the fastest. That's less than 500 DPS. Rifles are higher.

No. Get out.

Rail turrets are similar

So you want to nerf aim? Go away

Uh how do you propose to explain why a tank turret did less damage to your clone?

Moreover why does a KE rounds like a Rail Rifle slug do full damage against and infantry man but a significantly larger calibre slug like an 80gj Railgun rounds not kill you outright.

Why bother with a specific kind of technology that deliberately limits your weapons destructive potential when existing examples are present that do not require this kind of modification?

I'm going to go ahead and suggest that instead all AV weapons need to have a useful anti-infantry component to them to make them enjoyable to use.

Much like the Plasma Cannon. Within its range it's pretty awesome against shield vehicles (if used on a commando suit) but also lots of fun against infantry.
I recently suggested a more anti-infantry inclined Forgegun variant (the tactical Forgegun at 1.3 s charge time, 500 damage a shot and ~90 m range) and I'd absolutely support the return of Swarm Launcher dumb fire mode (~200 splash damage every ~2 seconds at 2 meter splash per missile).

Is anyone against reintroducing Forgegun Splash damage? Even if it's just ~200 damage at 2 meter radius. It'd be helpful.

I really didn't want to post. I'm annoyed at all the people who responded basically forcing me to post.


If you haven't read the OP's posts, go read some of them. See what kind of thinking you are working with.

And stop responding to his threads so they just fall off and disappear from the forums. Watching this **** get bumped flabbergasts me. Needing to bump this to post this so it can stop does as well.

Seriously folks. Just let it go and it'll go away.

Fun for you but not me or any vehicle pilots who already are relying on either luck due to dispersion or accuracy which you want to punish them for having by removing their killing power.

How do you justify compromising my enjoyment of a specific role that functions similarly throughout the entire gaming genre.

Aka- I shoot you with a tank round you die.

(( I've seen his other threads. I have me my pile of salt right here))

Anyone have that document handy? I'd love to see this PC document again and look up the Forge Gun in how it's ranked for kills

I guarentee you, the reason large rails are even remotely high is because they're often used to guard hack points, where people are forced to stand still for extended periods of time. It's a common tactic to use a rail to defend a point, but it is not indicative that the rails themselves are over performing against infantry. I'm not sure how much experience you have using large rails, but there are many factors working against them, which makes them difficult to use.

• Zoom is crappy for very small targets
• Turret rotation speed is difficult to use against small targets, especially at close range
• Charge cannot be held, meaning you have to predict where the target will be after the charge fires
• Projectile has travel time, so not only do you have to predict where the target will be be after the charge time, but you also have to account for travel time for the shot to get there
• No splash damage means it has to be a direct hit
• This is a glitch, but the projectile rarely hits where the aiming dot is, typically you have to compensate by not pointing directly at what you're shooting.

So again....sure, if infantry are standing still its easy to snipe them, but thats true for any weapon. Under actual battle conditions where the target is moving, it actually takes quite a lot of skill to snipe infantry on a consistent basis with a large railgun.

The same argument could be made that skilled players can consistently kill infantry in 1 shot with a Plasma Cannon. Do you have an issue with that as well? Additionally a Sniper is more than capable of dominating a choke point as well, do you have an issue with that?

Except rails DO have constraints, as I listed above. Not the exact same constraints as the PLC, but they're there. The fact remains that you're literally aiming at a couple pixels on the screen and the hit detection on it is dubious at best. It is not easy to consistently hit people with the large railgun, and saying "skill is OP" really isn't a valid argument.

Consider also as negatives of the Railgun

- Tracking Speeds
- Elevation of Depression [ depending on the tank you can't even aim down]
- Overheat and Cooldown
- Limited weapon to HAV
- Also has charge up time
- Tiny Splash Radius

NO. Would a 120mm cannon hit a person and scratch him? NO. So a forge gun could completely destroy a merc. Plus have you ever tried FG sniping? You hit 1/4 shots and that one is usually someone who stood still to long. Rails are similar, what does a 20mm cannon do to a person? Rip them apart. A railgun should do just that.

I actually think that reducing the prevalence of one-hit kill weapons in the game would actually be beneficial. Also I think the approach of reduced direct hit damage while adding back splash so these weapons can be suppressive would be a balanced way to reduce the direct damage to infantry.

Not sure about the specific numbers, but I think the idea has merit.

So, when a new player comes into the game, I should tell them "This is a Large Railgun, It's used to kill vehicles. It will take 2-4 shots to kill the vehicle. Oh and it'll take the same number of shots to kill infantry too" and the new player will look at me and laugh because he thinks I'm joking.

If you want to make Large Rails harder to use against infantry, that's fine. But as I told Kane in the Skype chat, there are half a dozen attributes that affect the performance of Large Railguns against infantry, and people are only focusing on the damage. Do I think it should be easy to snipe infantry? No. But god damn if I hit them they need to be liquified.

Also a multi shot Plasma Cannon does does less damage per shot? We have that already, it's called the Breach Mass Driver. Why do we need another weapon that does the same thing?

Because the natural weapon of Assault Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Rail Rifle, and Combat rifle are all different? If you want to have a variant with multiple weaker shots of the Plasma Cannon, sure. But the nature of weapon in terms of AV is highly dependent upon it's high alpha damage. Are you saying we should make it less effective against vehicles because you don't like getting 1-shotted as an infantry?

Swarms should be able to lock onto infantry.

That's how much sense this thread makes.

Dert... I could maybe see pushing for a slightly smaller OHK hitbox on infantry, if there already isn't one.. but less damage is a tough one..

You ....don't use Plasma Cannons all that much do you? Because the kinds of changes you're proposing (Because apparently you feel that Plasma Cannon kills on infantry are rampant enough to merit a change) would indeed make them less effective in the kinds of AV roles they fill.

*facepalm* Just nevermind, I give up. It's clear we have very different views on how the game works and I'm not going to bicker. I would however love to see you try to land multiple 3-4 consecutive railgun or plasma cannon shots onto a moving infantry, before they kill you.