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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:10:00 -
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I'm going to begin with a question.
Would the ScR be balanced if its damage was cut to 50 and its RoF cut to 427?
No. It would be horrendously UP at a mere 355 DPS. Even the most diehard anti-ScR guys can see that.
Well that is akin to what they did to the ScP. The cut its Damage by 29%, AND its RoF by 27%. That a multiplicative 49% Nerf to damage output. It is half as good as it used to be, quite literally.
Why did they Nerf it by such extreme numbers?
Because the horrendously UP Ion Pistol was being added to the game, and the ScP couldn't be better than it, so instead of adding a useful weapon like sane people, they just made 2 useless ones...
So, I'm going to request, once again, that the ScP be buffed back to its previous levels, and the Ion Pistol to be buffed to sign ilar levels as well.
For those that can't remember:
ScP was
80/84/88 Damage
450 RoF
6 round magazine. (I'd actually say this should just be a 10 round magazine, and have the operations skill be retooled to be not so insanely powerful/needed)
The Ion Pistol should be
75/78.85/82.5 Damage
500 RoF
16 round magazine.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:18:00 -
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Pleeeeaaaase!!!!!!! The pistols are just sad in this game... The only sidearms worth using are the bolt,SMG,and flaylock.
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:26:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Pleeeeaaaase!!!!!!! The pistols are just sad in this game... The only sidearms worth using are the bolt,SMG,and flaylock.
Magsec need a buff as well. Its spool up time and armor profile make it a confused weapon. Do you use it as a backup/finisher or as an engagement starter? Wat do?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:27:00 -
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The Scrambler Pistol should never have been nerfed and the Ion Pistol needs less dispersion. Damage wise the Ion Pistol feels decent.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:30:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Pleeeeaaaase!!!!!!! The pistols are just sad in this game... The only sidearms worth using are the bolt,SMG,and flaylock. Magsec need a buff as well. Its spool up time and armor profile make it a confused weapon. Do you use it as a backup/finisher or as an engagement starter? Wat do?
I'm not sure that the MagSec is bad. I just think that people who have points in the SMG don't have a good reason to use it.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:33:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Pleeeeaaaase!!!!!!! The pistols are just sad in this game... The only sidearms worth using are the bolt,SMG,and flaylock. Magsec need a buff as well. Its spool up time and armor profile make it a confused weapon. Do you use it as a backup/finisher or as an engagement starter? Wat do? I'm not sure that the MagSec is bad. I just think that people who have points in the SMG don't have a good reason to use it.
The MagSec is horrible because it has a spool time, I can't count how many times I needed to kill a guy just to have that spool delay my DPs and get me killed.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2415
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:33:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Scrambler Pistol should never have been nerfed and the Ion Pistol needs less dispersion. Damage wise the Ion Pistol feels decent.
If the ScP is as good as it used to be the IoP needs a buff as well. It by all rights should do more DPS than the ScP.
Maybe with such a damage bump the magazine shouldn't be 16 anymore though?
How do you feel about 12 rounds at 75 damage? That would give it more than the ScP by 100 DpM, without breaching 1000 damage per mag, which is something I don't think semiauto pistols should do, because then they become a bit spammy and start to alienate the semiauto rifles, which should be a bit better at laying down extended fire.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:35:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Scrambler Pistol should never have been nerfed and the Ion Pistol needs less dispersion. Damage wise the Ion Pistol feels decent. If the ScP is as good as it used to be the IoP needs a buff as well. It by all rights should do more DPS than the ScP. Maybe with such a damage bump the magazine shouldn't be 16 anymore though? How do you feel about 12 rounds at 75 damage? That would give it more than the ScP by 100 DpM, without breaching 1000 damage per mag, which is something I don't think semiauto pistols should do, because then they become a bit spammy and start to alienate the semiauto rifles, which should be a bit better at laying down extended fire.
I honestly think side arms should be able to stand on their own just like the SMG
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2415
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:39:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Scrambler Pistol should never have been nerfed and the Ion Pistol needs less dispersion. Damage wise the Ion Pistol feels decent. If the ScP is as good as it used to be the IoP needs a buff as well. It by all rights should do more DPS than the ScP. Maybe with such a damage bump the magazine shouldn't be 16 anymore though? How do you feel about 12 rounds at 75 damage? That would give it more than the ScP by 100 DpM, without breaching 1000 damage per mag, which is something I don't think semiauto pistols should do, because then they become a bit spammy and start to alienate the semiauto rifles, which should be a bit better at laying down extended fire. I honestly thing side arms should be able to stand on their own just like the SMG
True.
But the pistols both have considerable head shot bonuses and the ability to get headshots better than SMGs.
This is a factor that needs to be taken into account.
I think if you factor the headshots in, the amount of damage applied in a mag would be roughly similar to the SMGs.
They have the ability to alpha. Something SMGs don't.
Just like the ScR and TacAR, their DpMs should be lower than their automatic counterparts.
I don't want the pistols to outclass the SMG, I just want them to be competitive with it again.
And the old ScP was very much doable to stand on its own. If we bring its back to that level, it will stand again. No need to go further than that.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2415
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:45:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Pleeeeaaaase!!!!!!! The pistols are just sad in this game... The only sidearms worth using are the bolt,SMG,and flaylock. Magsec need a buff as well. Its spool up time and armor profile make it a confused weapon. Do you use it as a backup/finisher or as an engagement starter? Wat do? I'm not sure that the MagSec is bad. I just think that people who have points in the SMG don't have a good reason to use it.
It isn't much worse than the SMG. But it is worse. And they are similar enough weapons that the role of the Magsec is just overshadowed.
Personally, I think cutting its spooling time in half and either reducing its kick or giving it a holosight would be enough to bring it up to the level of the SMG.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:46:00 -
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A difference in 50 doesn't refine the line between Tactical and Assault, in my opinion. Buff Ion Pistol to 550 RPM! Let me be able to spam the trigger without having to worry about oversampling... as much. |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:53:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:A difference in 50 doesn't refine the line between Tactical and Assault, in my opinion. Buff Ion Pistol to 550 RPM! Let me be able to spam the trigger without having to worry about oversampling... as much.
That's a bit much.
That would give it more DPS than the TacAR and ScR.
How does this sound?
70.5 damage
530 RPM
14 round mag
Although this seems worse to me than what I proposed. The amount of over sampling you will experience at 500 would be miniscule already.
I feel like this would be outclassed by the ScP, as the ScP would be doing consistently more DPS.
Alternatively...
We could make this kind of Ion Pistol the Tactical variant, and add a real Assault Pistol!
Full auto pistol for the Gallente? Sounds fitting.
Ive always wanted to do the same thing to the Assault Scrambler Pistol and make it an autopistol.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 18:48:00 -
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-Exact stats-
General Scrambler Pistol ideas/concepts.
GÇóReplace operation skill bonus of +1 round per level with +2% headshot damage per level. Total headshot multiplier after full bonus is applied would be 412.5%.
GÇóNormalize the Magazine size at 10 rounds for the standard variant.
GÇóRemove Tactical variant. Serves no purpose. The standard one is the Tactical one now. The weapon is now cleaner and not so convoluted.
GÇóRetool Assault ScP to be fully automatic. It is now a truly different weapon compared to the regular one.
GÇóMake Burst ScP faster and more responsive. Give it the Burst AR treatment.
GÇóAll tiers for all variants!
Regular "Tactical" Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 80/84/88
RoF: 450
paperDPS: 600/630/660
Magazine: 10
DpM: 800/840/880
Assault Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 40/42/44
RoF:560
DPS: 373.3/392/410.7
Magazine: 28
DpM: 960/1008/1056
Burst Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 35/36.75/38.5
RoF: 800
paperDPS: 466.7/490/513.3
Magazine: 30
DpM: 1050/1102.5/1155
General Ion Pistol ideas/concepts
GÇómore DPS/DPM than the ScP variants, with a shorter range.
GÇómajor difference between the two besides small stat differences it that one can charge shot and one has a higher headshot bonus.
GÇóadd fullauto Assault Variant. Possibly make this the base variant?
"Tactical" Ion Pistol
Damage: 75/78.75/82.5
RoF: 500
paperDPS: 625/656.25/687.5
Magazine:12
DpM:900/945/990
Assault Ion Pistol
Damage:33.4/35.1/36.77
RoF: 700
DPS: 390/409.1/428.63
Magazine: 32
DpM:1086.2/1123.2/1176.64
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4lbert Wesker
King and Queens
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Posted - 2015.02.24 19:07:00 -
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ScR needs buff  How high are you?
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2421
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Posted - 2015.02.24 19:09:00 -
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4lbert Wesker wrote:ScR needs buff How high are you?
ScP.
Scrambler Pistol.
ScR doesn't need a buff, and isn't the topic of this thread.
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KILL3R H3LLH0UND
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.24 19:20:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:-Exact stats-
General Scrambler Pistol ideas/concepts.
GÇóReplace operation skill bonus of +1 round per level with +2% headshot damage per level. Total headshot multiplier after full bonus is applied would be 412.5%.
GÇóNormalize the Magazine size at 10 rounds for the standard variant.
GÇóRemove Tactical variant. Serves no purpose. The standard one is the Tactical one now. The weapon is now cleaner and not so convoluted.
GÇóRetool Assault ScP to be fully automatic. It is now a truly different weapon compared to the regular one.
GÇóMake Burst ScP faster and more responsive. Give it the Burst AR treatment.
GÇóAll tiers for all variants!
Regular "Tactical" Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 80/84/88
RoF: 450
paperDPS: 600/630/660
Magazine: 10
DpM: 800/840/880
Headshot Multiplier: 375%
Headshot Damage: 300/330/360
Assault Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 40/42/44
RoF:560
DPS: 373.3/392/410.7
Magazine: 28
DpM: 960/1008/1056
Burst Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 35/36.75/38.5
RoF: 800
paperDPS: 466.7/490/513.3
Magazine: 30
DpM: 1050/1102.5/1155
General Ion Pistol ideas/concepts
GÇómore DPS/DPM than the ScP variants, with a shorter range.
GÇómajor difference between the two besides small stat differences it that one can charge shot and one has a higher headshot bonus.
GÇóadd fullauto Assault Variant. Possibly make this the base variant?
"Tactical" Ion Pistol
Damage: 75/78.75/82.5
RoF: 500
paperDPS: 625/656.25/687.5
Magazine:12
DpM:900/945/990
Charge Shot Multiplier: 600%
Charge Shot Damage: 450/472.5/495
Assault Ion Pistol
Damage:33.4/35.1/36.77
RoF: 700
DPS: 390/409.1/428.63
Magazine: 32
DpM:1086.2/1123.2/1176.64
WHERE THE HELL IS MY BREACH SCP I WANT THE OLD STATS BACK.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.24 21:23:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:-Exact stats-
General Scrambler Pistol ideas/concepts.
GÇóReplace operation skill bonus of +1 round per level with +2% headshot damage per level. Total headshot multiplier after full bonus is applied would be 412.5%.
GÇóNormalize the Magazine size at 10 rounds for the standard variant.
GÇóRemove Tactical variant. Serves no purpose. The standard one is the Tactical one now. The weapon is now cleaner and not so convoluted.
GÇóRetool Assault ScP to be fully automatic. It is now a truly different weapon compared to the regular one.
GÇóMake Burst ScP faster and more responsive. Give it the Burst AR treatment.
GÇóAll tiers for all variants!
Regular "Tactical" Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 80/84/88
RoF: 450
paperDPS: 600/630/660
Magazine: 10
DpM: 800/840/880
Headshot Multiplier: 375%
Headshot Damage: 300/330/360
Assault Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 40/42/44
RoF:560
DPS: 373.3/392/410.7
Magazine: 28
DpM: 960/1008/1056
Burst Scrambler Pistol
Damage: 35/36.75/38.5
RoF: 800
paperDPS: 466.7/490/513.3
Magazine: 30
DpM: 1050/1102.5/1155
General Ion Pistol ideas/concepts
GÇómore DPS/DPM than the ScP variants, with a shorter range.
GÇómajor difference between the two besides small stat differences it that one can charge shot and one has a higher headshot bonus.
GÇóadd fullauto Assault Variant. Possibly make this the base variant?
"Tactical" Ion Pistol
Damage: 75/78.75/82.5
RoF: 500
paperDPS: 625/656.25/687.5
Magazine:12
DpM:900/945/990
Charge Shot Multiplier: 600%
Charge Shot Damage: 450/472.5/495
Assault Ion Pistol
Damage:33.4/35.1/36.77
RoF: 700
DPS: 390/409.1/428.63
Magazine: 32
DpM:1086.2/1123.2/1176.64
That TacIoP is ridiculous... Its a fcking pocket shotgun... Like the Flaylock of Old...
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 21:33:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:-Exact stats-
"Tactical" Ion Pistol
Damage: 75/78.75/82.5
RoF: 500
paperDPS: 625/656.25/687.5
Magazine:12
DpM:900/945/990
Charge Shot Multiplier: 600%
Charge Shot Damage: 450/472.5/495
That TacIoP is ridiculous... Its a fcking pocket shotgun... Like the Flaylock of Old...
God forbid a pistol be able to kill people reasonably effectively.
Breach ScP and Bolt Pistol headshots do about as much damage as that charged shot... and at a longer range... at a faster rate.
That much damage coming from a Pistol isn't even unheard of...
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LUGMOS
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.24 22:56:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:-Exact stats-
"Tactical" Ion Pistol
Damage: 75/78.75/82.5
RoF: 500
paperDPS: 625/656.25/687.5
Magazine:12
DpM:900/945/990
Charge Shot Multiplier: 600%
Charge Shot Damage: 450/472.5/495
That TacIoP is ridiculous... Its a fcking pocket shotgun... Like the Flaylock of Old... God forbid a pistol be able to kill people reasonably effectively. Breach ScP and Bolt Pistol headshots do about as much damage as that charged shot... and at a longer range... at a faster rate. That much damage coming from a Pistol isn't even unheard of...
By all means, go through with it. I would love it, but it is too much.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 23:04:00 -
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All they need to do to the ScR is make it steadily build heat while holding the charge! That's it!
You can't hold down the charge waiting for the perfect shot forever, and the longer you hold it, the sooner you overheat! Gun balanced!
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 23:07:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:All they need to do to the ScR is make it steadily build heat while holding the charge! That's it!
You can't hold down the charge waiting for the perfect shot forever, and the longer you hold it, the sooner you overheat! Gun balanced!
This thread isn't about the Scrambler Rifle at all...
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 23:10:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:All they need to do to the ScR is make it steadily build heat while holding the charge! That's it!
You can't hold down the charge waiting for the perfect shot forever, and the longer you hold it, the sooner you overheat! Gun balanced! This thread isn't about the Scrambler Rifle at all...
Thread hijacked
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
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