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DRT 99
OUTCAST MERCS
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:16:00 -
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So in just about every other fps i play i gravitate towards the semi auto rifles, as i find them more fun and interesting than 'hold down trigger, reds die, repeat'
So naturally in dust, when i use a rifle i gravitate towards the SCR and TAR. The problem however, is that in the current armor meta, theres no tactical anti-armor weapon (im excluding the sniper rifle because its more of a specialized weapon and cant really be compared to RR/CR/AR/SCR)
With that in mind, i got to thinking what tactical CR / RR stats would look like (At Basic)
Tac CR:
65 Damage / Shot
600 rpm
Vanilla CR range and PG / CPU
20-22 shot clip, maybe 100 - 140 in reserve?
Notes:
When compared to the scr, it has the same DPS with a smaller magazine and less range. This is balanced by the fact that the SCR is a fittings hog, and the min ass gets a clip size bonus.
Tac RR
~230ish damage per shot
120 rpm (after charge up and refire delay) (2 shots per second, ~460 DPS)
charge can be held
same or slightly longer range than RR, same fittings
12 shot clip
very bad hipfire dispersion, increased ADS zoom
Notes:
Sort of like a rifle version of the BP or a smaller, anti infantry version of the FG
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:38:00 -
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TAC RR needs to be single shot. And definitely no holding the charge, too OP. I'd like to see this function like a giant bolt pistol.
Slightly longer range, high damage, small clip.
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
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DRT 99
OUTCAST MERCS
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:41:00 -
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the intent was for the tac rr to be single shot, like other tactical weapons.
how would holding the charge be OP? if anything it would drop its actual DPS considerably. |
killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 08:18:00 -
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All I needed to see was Tac CR to say I'm in, I so want one
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.02.24 11:30:00 -
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that basic Tac RR looks more like an officer weapon.
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.24 11:37:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:the intent was for the tac rr to be single shot, like other tactical weapons.
how would holding the charge be OP? if anything it would drop its actual DPS considerably.
Perhaps he means like the large rail turret, where you hold the button and fire faster... I would guess at that being a bit too easy... Much like the large rail turret.
Totally agree on the idea though, would make interesting weapons... I too favour the tac-AR over the usual pray and spray. |
DRT 99
OUTCAST MERCS
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:55:00 -
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Pagl1u M wrote:that basic Tac RR looks more like an officer weapon.
the numbers are just estimates - that probably is closer to a proto weapon than basic though.
I thought 460 dps is above most assault variant rifles, but below other tactical and burst rifle variants |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 17:14:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:that basic Tac RR looks more like an officer weapon. the numbers are just estimates - that probably is closer to a proto weapon than basic though. I thought 460 dps is above most assault variant rifles, but below other tactical and burst rifle variants
It looks fine. About what I'd expect out of one.
It having less paperDPS is fine because its low RoF makes it easier to make use of all of its DPS.The only reason ScR/TacAR paperDPS is so high is because their RoF only exists to prevent oversampling. In reality, ScRs and TacARs get around 450-500 DPS, which puts the 460 DPS you suggested for the TacRR in a nice place.
It implement it like this, and then tune it afterwords.
+1
Looks like a nice alternative to the anti-shield semiautos we have now, while remaining different enough to add some variety to the Tactical rifle arsenal.
The TacCR looks a little on the strong side though. The magazine size looks to large, in particular. I'd say drop its mag size to 18-20 instead, as a 28 round 65 damage gun would be super OP on Minassault.
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DRT 99
OUTCAST MERCS
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.24 17:24:00 -
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I initially thought it sohuld be 18-20, but that would end up being 1170 - 1300 damage per magazine.
I suppose thats in line though as all CR variants have lower damage per magazine than other weapon types. |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2416
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Posted - 2015.02.24 17:35:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:I initially thought it sohuld be 18-20, but that would end up being 1170 - 1300 damage per magazine. I suppose thats in line though as all CR variants have lower damage per magazine than other weapon types.
That seems perfect as the burst damage of the ScR is 1170.
The ScR shouldn't be balanced around its magazine size in this regard. The heat it its limiting factor.
18 rounds for the TacCR is perfect.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.02.24 17:44:00 -
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Sounds good I like it.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 18:37:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:the intent was for the tac rr to be single shot, like other tactical weapons.
how would holding the charge be OP? if anything it would drop its actual DPS considerably.
The bolt pistol verges on OP. Having a bigger stronger longer range bolt pistol with a bigger clip with be pretty deadly, especially if you can hold your charge indefinitely until you get the perfect shot.
A weapon this effective would have to require a lot of skill to be balanced. IE: Hitting your target would be deadly, but missing would be costly.
You would have to time the charge perfectly, and have good accuracy to make up for a very low RoF.
Every weapon needs to have a drawback.
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
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Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2015.02.24 18:45:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:DRT 99 wrote:the intent was for the tac rr to be single shot, like other tactical weapons.
how would holding the charge be OP? if anything it would drop its actual DPS considerably. The bolt pistol verges on OP. Having a bigger stronger longer range bolt pistol with a bigger clip with be pretty deadly, especially if you can hold your charge indefinitely until you get the perfect shot. A weapon this effective would have to require a lot of skill to be balanced. IE: Hitting your target would be deadly, but missing would be costly. You would have to time the charge perfectly, and have good accuracy to make up for a very low RoF. Every weapon needs to have a drawback.
He meant spool not charge. I personally like the idea but it should only be viable on caldari suits otherwise it would be op
Nvm read wrong... It should not be able to charge like scr..
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DRT 99
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.25 04:19:00 -
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no charge up like SCR. regular spool up time like other RRs or FG.
should have clarified |
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