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Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Sleepy Shadow wrote:

Slave of MORTE wrote:

Have u tryed the a scp recently it's amazeballs

No I have not, havenGÇÖt logged in in a while again. Just read somewhere on the forums that ScP is back to its former glory.

Need to log in and try it out, it appears that the rumours are true then : )

It isn't. Not even close to its former self. Still a shadow of a gun.
It still does 18 less damage per shot than it used to and still doesn't shoot as fast as it could before 1.8.
Its DPS is roughly 64% of what it used to be.
Oversampling is still a major issue with it as well at only 353 RoF. Unless your taking your sweet time pulling the trigger, you will oversample.

It generally just does too little DPS for a semiautomatic weapon.
When there is a full-auto alternative that does 96% the DPS at a similar range with massively more ease, along with being geared towards armor, there is little reason to use the ScP.
The Ion Pistol is similar enough that this entire argument applies to it as well.

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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1775	Posted - 2015.02.23 22:49:00 - [1] - Quote Melts through shields like a hot knife through butter. BUT.... My poor Duvolle with 3 complex damage mods and proficiency has trouble getting through 400 armor. You might as well pull out an SMG. Not to mention the range is crap. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3339	Posted - 2015.02.23 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote Hilariously if you were using a RR you'd still have less DPS versus the armor, even counting the AR's malus, due to the innate DPS level of the weapon. Maybe it's your aim, maybe it's Maybelline. Shooting at any distance though will butcher your DPS due to damage penalties... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
VAHZZ 571	Posted - 2015.02.23 22:59:00 - [3] - Quote Do you remember the horrifying days of the AR? If not, then you wouldn't say that, because the AR now is nothing like the abominations of old. ~ Seeker of the Quafe
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17223	Posted - 2015.02.23 23:03:00 - [4] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Do you remember the horrifying days of the AR? If not, then you wouldn't say that, because the AR now is nothing like the abominations of old. That was back when AR were the only guns available and arguably those days were wonderful because Deathtouch Lasers still existed as well as Marauders! "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2413	Posted - 2015.02.23 23:12:00 - [5] - Quote Wut. Why even mention proficiency in this case? Home at Last <3
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 522	Posted - 2015.02.23 23:13:00 - [6] - Quote Kinda how I feel about my scrambler rifle.... But I do have a submachine gun, with prof. 5 for armor ;D G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3288	Posted - 2015.02.23 23:44:00 - [7] - Quote I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1776	Posted - 2015.02.23 23:47:00 - [8] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I'd be cool if gal assault bonus was like 5% increase in range per level or if sharpshooter was that. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3288	Posted - 2015.02.24 00:20:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I'd be cool if gal assault bonus was like 5% increase in range per level or if sharpshooter was that. That sure would be nice. The current bonus to hipfire dispersion doesn't buy you much because you're typically trying to hipfire against armored opponents and the AR simply struggles too much against armor to be effective.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 325	Posted - 2015.02.24 00:34:00 - [10] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I'd be cool if gal assault bonus was like 5% increase in range per level or if sharpshooter was that. That sure would be nice. The current bonus to hipfire dispersion doesn't buy you much because you're typically trying to hipfire against armored opponents and the AR simply struggles too much against armor to be effective. It sure tears scouts into little pieces though

PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 520	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:12:00 - [11] - Quote Yea the AR is crazy with shields but armour sucks. especially with the tac and burst. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 37.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6338	Posted - 2015.02.24 04:06:00 - [12] - Quote Dude, a Duvolle with 3 CPX damage mods will have no problem chewing through 400 armor within optiomal. What are you smoking? The problem starts at 600 armor and it gets bad at 750.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1519	Posted - 2015.02.24 05:18:00 - [13] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Wut. Why even mention proficiency in this case? Because OP is clearly stupid. He's proven it time and time again. Our lives are nothing but a means to an end. AIV member. 21 day EVE trial.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9666	Posted - 2015.02.24 05:50:00 - [14] - Quote What the hell is going on here? *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1568	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:06:00 - [15] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: What the hell is going on here? Dukey. That is all. In favor of removing vehicles only so Spkr quits everything.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3350	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:24:00 - [16] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Yea the AR is crazy with shields but armour sucks. especially with the tac and burst. It will still out DPS a RR against armor. For the standard assault rifles when we get rid of this pesky thing called range, from best to worst (against armor) we have ACR AR ARR ASR The AR has enough raw DPS that you can still beat the hell out of pretty much anything if you're close enough, and considering half of the sockets have enough CQC to be a heavy's wet dream, an AR should (and in my experience does) shine regardless of whatever you're pointing it at as long as you stay inside a socket. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15268	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:28:00 - [17] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: Yea the AR is crazy with shields but armour sucks. especially with the tac and burst. It will still out DPS a RR against armor. For the standard assault rifles when we get rid of this pesky thing called range, from best to worst (against armor) we have ACR AR ARR ASR The AR has enough raw DPS that you can still beat the hell out of pretty much anything if you're close enough, and considering half of the sockets have enough CQC to be a heavy's wet dream, an AR should (and in my experience does) shine regardless of whatever you're pointing it at as long as you stay inside a socket. Except said heavies have an opposite effect on the AR's performance. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3350	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:30:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Except said heavies have an opposite effect on the AR's performance. Except he said he was shooting at a guy with 400 armor, so clearly he's not going hippo hunting. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15269	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:32:00 - [19] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Except said heavies have an opposite effect on the AR's performance. Except he said he was shooting at a guy with 400 armor, so clearly he's not going hippo hunting. Hippo hunting. My new favorite term. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22281	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:54:00 - [20] - Quote Xocoyol, where are you getting this idea that the RR has so much less DPS from? Once charged, it doesn't have more than a 10% DPS difference. And it's not difficult to precharge. A comprehensive Gallente guide

VAHZZ 590	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:00:00 - [21] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Except said heavies have an opposite effect on the AR's performance. Except he said he was shooting at a guy with 400 armor, so clearly he's not going hippo hunting. I love that term, I am renaming my proto the Hippo ~ Closed Beta Vet
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3354	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:00:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Xocoyol, where are you getting this idea that the RR has so much less DPS from? Once charged, it doesn't have more than a 10% DPS difference. And it's not difficult to precharge. Maybe remembering the numbers wrong, probably so, I'll compare the proto AR, RR, and AR next time I'm on, but a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I remember not being impressed by the RR DPS. EDIT: You know, it might be because I always fit D-Mods on my armor suits and never can find the room on my shield suits, hence why my suit "spreadsheet" always lists a disparity in DPS levels, due to my AR suits being on Gal/Amarr suits thus having an artificially inflated level of DPS. shrugs "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22281	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:10:00 - [23] - Quote Duvolle AR DPS: 450 Ishukone ARR DPS: 420 Kaalakiota RR DPS: 400 ARR has about a 6% difference, and the RR has ~11%. This is not, as was claimed earlier, enough of a difference to mean that the AR will do more damage against armour than an RR. DPS against armour (without proficiency): Duvolle: 405 Ishukone: 462 Kaalakiota: 440 I'm not entirely sure what it says about the average forum goer that they were quick to agree with your statement and start complaining about the RR. A comprehensive Gallente guide
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 275	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:42:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I like ACR/IoP combo but I heard the ScP got itGÇÖs ROF back so that might make IoP obsolete on my fittings again. And that makes me super sad. Love the gun butGÇª Oh my poor IoP (._. ) And I seem to do better on my ADV Gal Ass fit with ACR/IoP than I do on my PRO Gal Ass with AR/SMG. ItGÇÖs maddening. =ƒÿ¦
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9668	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:26:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Duvolle AR DPS: 450 Ishukone ARR DPS: 420 Kaalakiota RR DPS: 400 ARR has about a 6% difference, and the RR has ~11%. This is not, as was claimed earlier, enough of a difference to mean that the AR will do more damage against armour than an RR. DPS against armour (without proficiency): Duvolle: 405 Ishukone: 462 Kaalakiota: 440 I'm not entirely sure what it says about the average forum goer that they were quick to agree with your statement and start complaining about the RR. We've already established that most DUST 514 players and thus its forum goers aren't smart at all. *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 319	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:35:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Do you remember the horrifying days of the AR? If not, then you wouldn't say that, because the AR now is nothing like the abominations of old. That was back when AR were the only guns available and arguably those days were wonderful because Deathtouch Lasers still existed as well as Marauders! Death touch lasers is still a thing Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 319	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:36:00 - [27] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I like ACR/IoP combo but I heard the ScP got itGÇÖs ROF back so that might make IoP obsolete on my fittings again. And that makes me super sad. Love the gun butGÇª Oh my poor IoP (._. ) And I seem to do better on my ADV Gal Ass fit with ACR/IoP than I do on my PRO Gal Ass with AR/SMG. ItGÇÖs maddening. Have u tryed the a scp recently it's amazeballs Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 275	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:07:00 - [28] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I like ACR/IoP combo but I heard the ScP got itGÇÖs ROF back so that might make IoP obsolete on my fittings again. And that makes me super sad. Love the gun butGÇª Oh my poor IoP (._. ) And I seem to do better on my ADV Gal Ass fit with ACR/IoP than I do on my PRO Gal Ass with AR/SMG. ItGÇÖs maddening. Have u tryed the a scp recently it's amazeballs No I have not, havenGÇÖt logged in in a while again. Just read somewhere on the forums that ScP is back to its former glory. Need to log in and try it out, it appears that the rumours are true then : ) =ƒÿ¦
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2144	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:31:00 - [29] - Quote Your struggling with a duvolle? With three complex damage mods!? I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2414	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:53:00 - [30] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I run two combos on most of my suits these days. AR/SMG & ARR/BrScP Oddly enough the ARR/BrScP, with its reversed bias, is a much better killer than the AR/SMG....even on a Gal Assault with its bonus. I like ACR/IoP combo but I heard the ScP got itGÇÖs ROF back so that might make IoP obsolete on my fittings again. And that makes me super sad. Love the gun butGÇª Oh my poor IoP (._. ) And I seem to do better on my ADV Gal Ass fit with ACR/IoP than I do on my PRO Gal Ass with AR/SMG. ItGÇÖs maddening. Have u tryed the a scp recently it's amazeballs No I have not, havenGÇÖt logged in in a while again. Just read somewhere on the forums that ScP is back to its former glory. Need to log in and try it out, it appears that the rumours are true then : ) It isn't. Not even close to its former self. Still a shadow of a gun. It still does 18 less damage per shot than it used to and still doesn't shoot as fast as it could before 1.8. Its DPS is roughly 64% of what it used to be. Oversampling is still a major issue with it as well at only 353 RoF. Unless your taking your sweet time pulling the trigger, you will oversample. It generally just does too little DPS for a semiautomatic weapon. When there is a full-auto alternative that does 96% the DPS at a similar range with massively more ease, along with being geared towards armor, there is little reason to use the ScP. The Ion Pistol is similar enough that this entire argument applies to it as well. Home at Last <3

Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 275	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:26:00 - [31] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: Have u tryed the a scp recently it's amazeballs No I have not, havenGÇÖt logged in in a while again. Just read somewhere on the forums that ScP is back to its former glory. Need to log in and try it out, it appears that the rumours are true then : ) It isn't. Not even close to its former self. Still a shadow of a gun. It still does 18 less damage per shot than it used to and still doesn't shoot as fast as it could before 1.8. Its DPS is roughly 64% of what it used to be. Oversampling is still a major issue with it as well at only 353 RoF. Unless your taking your sweet time pulling the trigger, you will oversample. It generally just does too little DPS for a semiautomatic weapon. When there is a full-auto alternative that does 96% the DPS at a similar range with massively more ease, along with being geared towards armor, there is little reason to use the ScP. The Ion Pistol is similar enough that this entire argument applies to it as well. You're right, the ScP is still terribad. Back to my lovely IoP =ƒÿ¦
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 188	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:00:00 - [32] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: We've already established that most DUST 514 players and thus its forum goers aren't smart at all. git gud tears watch my youtube breh yo sh!t's goin down in the war room trolololol dude got banned likes likes likes Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 539	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:43:00 - [33] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Melts through shields like a hot knife through butter. BUT.... My poor Duvolle with 3 complex damage mods and proficiency has trouble getting through 400 armor. You might as well pull out an SMG. Not to mention the range is crap. Yeah and then you have people like Warbot Titan making the AR look like it's OP, lol Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson


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