DUST Search - My thoughts on Dust now.

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

I am one of the strange diehards who stuck with Dust through most of its bold chrysalis stages. It is a much better (and increasingly elaborate--happy about that) game.
And, as some of you have notice by a few of the posts in this thread, a substantial number of Dust players STILL don't see this game as more than just a "shoot as many players and scifi blow them up as possible" game.

Dust, like EVE-Online, is a money-management game where war gear and battlefield killing is the thing that is constantly trying to bankrupt you. We don't "win by getting the most kills"GÇª in this weird game we win by adapting to changing strategies from opponent clans in a way that allows us to constantly "build" our character's wealth and fighting-skills.

Recently the devs have introduced some cool new "loot" components to the game, and now we're getting access to LOOT through several doorways at once. That's great. We're mercenaries, ISK is vital in this game environment, and it's really nice to have access to these things after so many years of just fighting each other for KILLS-domination over other players.

But the same way too much equipment spamming leads us toward farming, and away from interests in hacking stuff and winning the battleGÇª
CCP needs to be careful how much "LOOT" joy they allow us to have, or else we'll return to the disease of dancing around the matches (even FW matches) with complete neglect of "winning" and only farming for the 'salvage screen' payout...

Sad

I've already had a couple of friends tell me their FW play (which used to be about fighting for your RACE), has broken down into solo privateers just playing the FW match to explore what loot is at the end of the match---no tenacious effort to WIN anymore.

GÇªPLASTTION, I suspect in a few more Updates, CCP will have to curb the salvage payouts, and rework the benefits of match-wins and FW gameplay again.
We are like sheep. And if you don't keep herding us in the "right" directions, most of us don't intuitively pick up on what we're supposed to be doing, and we won't play the game in the way devs intended. Oops

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PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 510	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:36:00 - [1] - Quote ARGHH It seems like now instead of noobs being destroyed by veterans, it seems veterans are now stomping each other so hard that no one has fun and it ends in a huge mess and rage and lost isk. We go at it until we clone each other in skirmish and dom and ruining the game for each other. The noobs that used to be stomped 24/7 have caught up and started stomping back. its and all out battle and ends terribly. I played over ten matches today and won 3. Now don't say "squad up u suck get gud". Most of these i played very well, especially yesterday (today ill admit i was just fooling around but i still did good, played with my squad and team, and did my bit). I was log-ing yesterday and watched this third person. I repped and raised the team getting near 15 000 wp in total and watched everyone destroy each other in a hopeless loss. Everyone in my squads are getting very frustrated including me and it isn't the regular dust anger. I may add more later but this is my opinion. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:08:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed most pubs now revolve around who can spam more Proto. One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 549	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:12:00 - [3] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Agreed most pubs now revolve around who can spam more Proto. I assume you're not a proto runner, because I've been saying this for a while. Only for proto runners to tear into me saying how "They don't care about the new playerbase" or "Nothing wrong here" Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 510	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:13:00 - [4] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Agreed most pubs now revolve around who can spam more Proto. In a way yes, but now that doesn't even matter, people are just using everything and burning themselves and others out. Proto, advanced or basic. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 510	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:16:00 - [5] - Quote Also, all game modes are like this. Im crying for PVE now. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
VAHZZ 511	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:19:00 - [6] - Quote And I'm just sitting here waiting for Valkyrie. ~ Proud Sniper Scout
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 510	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:21:00 - [7] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: And I'm just sitting here waiting for Valkyrie. lol, good job! Dust withdrawal is a hard thing. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 630	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:23:00 - [8] - Quote We're supposed to be killing each other. It's a video game about space guns. No Skill Required
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Agreed most pubs now revolve around who can spam more Proto. I assume you're not a proto runner, because I've been saying this for a while. Only for proto runners to tear into me saying how "They don't care about the new playerbase" or "Nothing wrong here" You'll rarely find me running proto.... even then it is even less likely you'll find me going all out. One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
VAHZZ 511	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:27:00 - [10] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: VAHZZ wrote: And I'm just sitting here waiting for Valkyrie. lol, good job! Dust withdrawal is a hard thing. Bruh, what is you smokin'? I commit countless murders in space, and after that I'll be in a plane commiting more countless murders in space. I don't withdraw, I shoot you like pew pew. ~ Proud Sniper Scout

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6080	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:40:00 - [11] - Quote I wish my matches were like that. I get a lot of boring campy matches. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 510	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:41:00 - [12] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: We're supposed to be killing each other. It's a video game about space guns. So is destiny, or PS2. Which one feels the best? Which one is an all out grind every battle and leaves you with a feeling like dust. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 510	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:42:00 - [13] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I wish my matches were like that. I get a lot of boring campy matches. Ill gladly swap! It must be my Matchmaking level thats like this. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2264	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:06:00 - [14] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I wish my matches were like that. I get a lot of boring campy matches. Ill gladly swap! It must be my Matchmaking level thats like this. Gladly swap??? The matches you describe are epic close battles... unless you die a ton. Then you feel like you are meat in a meat grinder. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 631	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:07:00 - [15] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: We're supposed to be killing each other. It's a video game about space guns. So is destiny, or PS2. Which one feels the best? Dust If i kill you i expect you to come back to try to kill me. I dont want you to sit in the redline or quit. That's boring. That leads to redlining because others on the team will stop pushing. People fighting back and not instafolding needs to happen more. No Skill Required
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 418	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:11:00 - [16] - Quote I am one of the strange diehards who stuck with Dust through most of its bold chrysalis stages. It is a much better (and increasingly elaborate--happy about that) game. And, as some of you have notice by a few of the posts in this thread, a substantial number of Dust players STILL don't see this game as more than just a "shoot as many players and scifi blow them up as possible" game. Dust, like EVE-Online, is a money-management game where war gear and battlefield killing is the thing that is constantly trying to bankrupt you. We don't "win by getting the most kills"GÇª in this weird game we win by adapting to changing strategies from opponent clans in a way that allows us to constantly "build" our character's wealth and fighting-skills. Recently the devs have introduced some cool new "loot" components to the game, and now we're getting access to LOOT through several doorways at once. That's great. We're mercenaries, ISK is vital in this game environment, and it's really nice to have access to these things after so many years of just fighting each other for KILLS-domination over other players. But the same way too much equipment spamming leads us toward farming, and away from interests in hacking stuff and winning the battleGÇª CCP needs to be careful how much "LOOT" joy they allow us to have, or else we'll return to the disease of dancing around the matches (even FW matches) with complete neglect of "winning" and only farming for the 'salvage screen' payout... I've already had a couple of friends tell me their FW play (which used to be about fighting for your RACE), has broken down into solo privateers just playing the FW match to explore what loot is at the end of the match---no tenacious effort to WIN anymore. GÇªPLASTTION, I suspect in a few more Updates, CCP will have to curb the salvage payouts, and rework the benefits of match-wins and FW gameplay again. We are like sheep. And if you don't keep herding us in the "right" directions, most of us don't intuitively pick up on what we're supposed to be doing, and we won't play the game in the way devs intended. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 511	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:34:00 - [17] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: I am one of the strange diehards who stuck with Dust through most of its bold chrysalis stages. It is a much better (and increasingly elaborate--happy about that) game. And, as some of you have notice by a few of the posts in this thread, a substantial number of Dust players STILL don't see this game as more than just a "shoot as many players and scifi blow them up as possible" game. Dust, like EVE-Online, is a money-management game where war gear and battlefield killing is the thing that is constantly trying to bankrupt you. We don't "win by getting the most kills"GÇª in this weird game we win by adapting to changing strategies from opponent clans in a way that allows us to constantly "build" our character's wealth and fighting-skills. Recently the devs have introduced some cool new "loot" components to the game, and now we're getting access to LOOT through several doorways at once. That's great. We're mercenaries, ISK is vital in this game environment, and it's really nice to have access to these things after so many years of just fighting each other for KILLS-domination over other players. But the same way too much equipment spamming leads us toward farming, and away from interests in hacking stuff and winning the battleGÇª CCP needs to be careful how much "LOOT" joy they allow us to have, or else we'll return to the disease of dancing around the matches (even FW matches) with complete neglect of "winning" and only farming for the 'salvage screen' payout... I've already had a couple of friends tell me their FW play (which used to be about fighting for your RACE), has broken down into solo privateers just playing the FW match to explore what loot is at the end of the match---no tenacious effort to WIN anymore. GÇªPLASTTION, I suspect in a few more Updates, CCP will have to curb the salvage payouts, and rework the benefits of match-wins and FW gameplay again. We are like sheep. And if you don't keep herding us in the "right" directions, most of us don't intuitively pick up on what we're supposed to be doing, and we won't play the game in the way devs intended. Thank you for the response. I can agree with what i understood. FW to me now is just "Fight for Proto BPOs". I think i have a very similar opinion to yours on all of Dust. Sadly its coming to and end. My "visual aid through words" for dusts progression since FF2014 is a timeline of dust development and love, hope, interest that ran into a vertical line (FF2014's announcement). All the development and things kept moving though, building up against that wall, adding pressure. The hopes built up again (literally in this example) and everything seems good. But the pressure will be to much and the wall and dust will crash. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7562	Posted - 2015.02.21 05:00:00 - [18] - Quote Proto? I got something better. Special issue Assault suit... That's right, my pockets are lined deeply. #420blazeitSwagMaster Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1532	Posted - 2015.02.21 05:04:00 - [19] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: ARGHH It seems like now instead of noobs being destroyed by veterans, it seems veterans are now stomping each other so hard that no one has fun and it ends in a huge mess and rage and lost isk. We go at it until we clone each other in skirmish and dom and ruining the game for each other. The noobs that used to be stomped 24/7 have caught up and started stomping back. its and all out battle and ends terribly. I played over ten matches today and won 3. Now don't say "squad up u suck get gud". Most of these i played very well, especially yesterday (today ill admit i was just fooling around but i still did good, played with my squad and team, and did my bit). I was logi-ing yesterday and watched this third person. I repped and raised the team getting near 15 000 wp in total and watched everyone destroy each other in a hopeless loss. Everyone in my squads are getting very frustrated including me and it isn't the regular dust anger. I may add more later but this is my opinion. I'm kind of confused about what the complaint is. Everyone fighting hard is what I always hope for but seldom see. A Protosquad going hard against a team that can't defend itself is what I usually see and get. Because, that's why.
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 336	Posted - 2015.02.21 05:18:00 - [20] - Quote I run proto cuz I have too much ISK and still gets stacking more ISK... Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro Logibro2

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9859	Posted - 2015.02.21 05:30:00 - [21] - Quote Mregomies wrote: I run proto cuz I have too much ISK and still gets stacking more ISK... I run proto because I still only die a few times while running it. Hell, if you play decently, you can easily get 400-500k a match. More than enough for 3 proto suits. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Chimichanga66605 Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 332	Posted - 2015.02.21 05:57:00 - [22] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: it is even less likely you'll find me going all out. this is my biggest problem with Pubs. I hate being one of the few going all out for the win. Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist "Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
cris bleu Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 83	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:18:00 - [23] - Quote I'm confused about OP. Is it really saying "it used to be great when we could stomp noobs all the time, but I hate it now because I often get into tough battles"? Because if it is saying that...wtf?
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 649	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:56:00 - [24] - Quote IDK I'm still getting mostly stompy crap battles. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 513	Posted - 2015.02.21 14:14:00 - [25] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: ARGHH It seems like now instead of noobs being destroyed by veterans, it seems veterans are now stomping each other so hard that no one has fun and it ends in a huge mess and rage and lost isk. We go at it until we clone each other in skirmish and dom and ruining the game for each other. The noobs that used to be stomped 24/7 have caught up and started stomping back. its and all out battle and ends terribly. I played over ten matches today and won 3. Now don't say "squad up u suck get gud". Most of these i played very well, especially yesterday (today ill admit i was just fooling around but i still did good, played with my squad and team, and did my bit). I was logi-ing yesterday and watched this third person. I repped and raised the team getting near 15 000 wp in total and watched everyone destroy each other in a hopeless loss. Everyone in my squads are getting very frustrated including me and it isn't the regular dust anger. I may add more later but this is my opinion. I'm kind of confused about what the complaint is. Everyone fighting hard is what I always hope for but seldom see. A Protosquad going hard against a team that can't defend itself is what I usually see and get. Not really a complaint, just my thoughts on battles I've had this week. At first they were enjoyable but they've gotten wrse and burned out. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 513	Posted - 2015.02.21 14:16:00 - [26] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Mregomies wrote: I run proto cuz I have too much ISK and still gets stacking more ISK... I run proto because I still only die a few times while running it. Hell, if you play decently, you can easily get 400-500k a match. More than enough for 3 proto suits. the only way i get 400-500k is with a 2500-3000wp game as a logi. At 6000wp i can get 700k. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 513	Posted - 2015.02.21 14:20:00 - [27] - Quote cris bleu wrote: I'm confused about OP. Is it really saying "it used to be great when we could stomp noobs all the time, but I hate it now because I often get into tough battles"? Because if it is saying that...wtf? I meant i was ok when getting stomped when it was a clear unbalance. Im not saying i hate tough battles, usually they are fun, but lately they are as I described earlier. And its just my thoughts I don't want anything changed. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 36.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
rayakalj9 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 10	Posted - 2015.02.22 07:20:00 - [28] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: We're supposed to be killing each other. It's a video game about space guns. So is destiny, or PS2. Which one feels the best? Dust If i kill you i expect you to come back to try to kill me. I dont want you to sit in the redline or quit. That's boring. That leads to redlining because others on the team will stop pushing. People fighting back and not instafolding needs to happen more. man... they even sometimes camp on top of a tower for the whole entire match and that's boring. sometimes i get in my dropship for them just for the fun of it dat jamaican kid on his high grades


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