DUST Search - [Petition] We don't want 4 man squads!

Lavallois Nash wrote:

Atiim wrote:

And how does reducing squad sizes to 4 stop people from "getting together and stomping people with no chance"?

Gives them a path. Any 6 people, who are that hellbent on working all the time with those same other 5 people, are not going to play the "4 on one team, 2 on the other" game for long. They will migrate to a mode where they can have their 6 man squad.

i like I said, i was up against a 6 man corp squad using all officer stuff in a pub the other day. Anyone who is that focused on "these are my friends, i got their back" is not going to weild officer weapons against his friend in the hopes of making his friend lose his.

Just the possibility that you might be up against people in pubs that you are reluctant to shoot at means a general deescalation can take place. Will there still be mismatched games and stomps? Sure, but nowhere on the level we are seeing now. There will still be powerful 4 man squads, but the odds will be greatly increased that thety find themselves against a rival powerful 4 man squad.

TL;DR: Serious 6 man squads move up the chain, 6 man squads that dont want to move up the chain but want to be serious get put into a position where they are opposing each other.

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

I don't believe they should do this until they've brought the platoon deploy system into FW. Like many have said, people want to play together or like in my case, just don't want to play with randoms.

From what was said in the suggestion thread, im pretty sure that "squad sizes" are to be reformed as a hole, and not just a quick adjustment. They wont roll out the 4 mans without the 16 mans.

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

If they bring back 4 man squads and the auto-squadding with it then perhaps some of those 0-16 players will finally realize that having some backup is better than repeatedly running face first into bullets 16 times a game.

i dont see how auto squadding would stop stomps. Not everyone sits down infront of their TV to take on a 2nd life and play for 16 hours strait. Maybe im boiling water and i have to go get it after this game. Maybe i have to go to the bathroom after this game. Maybe a call came in during the game, and now I gotta AFK for 30 mins. Im not consistent with my time. Am I rejoining for another game right away? in 10 mins? in a hour? I dont know until i do. Im not going to sacrifice this flexibility.

i think the idea of "casual player" eludes you. Just because YOU needed all the help you can get and auto squadding kept you interested does NOT mean it would be just as positive an experience if you forced me to go with it.

I guess ill sum it up as best as I ever could: Squads work when people are willing to dedicate time and attention to them. I have little time and am unwilling to dedicate it to a squad. If I am to be social, I plan to do it where it counts in channels and such, instead of chatting ingame and in queue for hours like a never ending phone call.


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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6074	Posted - 2015.02.20 14:54:00 - [1] - Quote m621 zma wrote: I agree 4 man squads are rubbish, they should remove pre-made squads from certain game modes entirely. Go play another game if you don't like it. If they bring back 4 man squads and the auto-squadding with it then perhaps some of those 0-16 players will finally realize that having some backup is better than repeatedly running face first into bullets 16 times a game. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6074	Posted - 2015.02.20 14:56:00 - [2] - Quote I don't believe they should do this until they've brought the platoon deploy system into FW. Like many have said, people want to play together or like in my case, just don't want to play with randoms. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6074	Posted - 2015.02.20 15:32:00 - [3] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Thread = 6 man proto teams worried free ride is now over =ƒÿå These posts bother me. Especially when I jump into a domination and run toward the point in a armor slowed Gal Assault yet find myself there first and all alone. After I die and my uplink is destroyed. No other uplinks placed. I pull up the map to see WTF my teammates are. You've got people hacking installations, deploying uplinks with dropships 300m high on some tower, sniping, etc. It's always blamed on the squaded stompers, but why don't more people acknowledge that it's the people treating this game like it's a big sandbox? It's not, we have 16 v 16. Two tanks on a city centered map is enough to submarine a match in some cases. Without an incentive to win there's no reason for people to stop doing all these derpy things instead of pushing to win matches. Poking at people that are playing in squads and playing the objective of the gamemode isn't the correct approach. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6074	Posted - 2015.02.20 15:40:00 - [4] - Quote Lavallois Nash wrote: Atiim wrote: And how does reducing squad sizes to 4 stop people from "getting together and stomping people with no chance"? Gives them a path. Any 6 people, who are that hellbent on working all the time with those same other 5 people, are not going to play the "4 on one team, 2 on the other" game for long. They will migrate to a mode where they can have their 6 man squad. i like I said, i was up against a 6 man corp squad using all officer stuff in a pub the other day. Anyone who is that focused on "these are my friends, i got their back" is not going to weild officer weapons against his friend in the hopes of making his friend lose his. Just the possibility that you might be up against people in pubs that you are reluctant to shoot at means a general deescalation can take place. Will there still be mismatched games and stomps? Sure, but nowhere on the level we are seeing now. There will still be powerful 4 man squads, but the odds will be greatly increased that thety find themselves against a rival powerful 4 man squad. TL;DR: Serious 6 man squads move up the chain, 6 man squads that dont want to move up the chain but want to be serious get put into a position where they are opposing each other. Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't believe they should do this until they've brought the platoon deploy system into FW. Like many have said, people want to play together or like in my case, just don't want to play with randoms. From what was said in the suggestion thread, im pretty sure that "squad sizes" are to be reformed as a hole, and not just a quick adjustment. They wont roll out the 4 mans without the 16 mans. Thor Odinson42 wrote: If they bring back 4 man squads and the auto-squadding with it then perhaps some of those 0-16 players will finally realize that having some backup is better than repeatedly running face first into bullets 16 times a game. i dont see how auto squadding would stop stomps. Not everyone sits down infront of their TV to take on a 2nd life and play for 16 hours strait. Maybe im boiling water and i have to go get it after this game. Maybe i have to go to the bathroom after this game. Maybe a call came in during the game, and now I gotta AFK for 30 mins. Im not consistent with my time. Am I rejoining for another game right away? in 10 mins? in a hour? I dont know until i do. Im not going to sacrifice this flexibility. i think the idea of "casual player" eludes you. Just because YOU needed all the help you can get and auto squadding kept you interested does NOT mean it would be just as positive an experience if you forced me to go with it. I guess ill sum it up as best as I ever could: Squads work when people are willing to dedicate time and attention to them. I have little time and am unwilling to dedicate it to a squad. If I am to be social, I plan to do it where it counts in channels and such, instead of chatting ingame and in queue for hours like a never ending phone call. Nash, The autosquadding won't help veteran players or change their behavior. I think new people just queue up matches over and over and deploy solo. They get stomped for a week and quit. Perhaps some percentage of those new players would be enamored with the idea of accumulating WPs to drop OBs and communicating with others to complete the mission and earn a win. I'm not sure if you remember, but we had it pre-Uprising. 6 man squads eliminated it. It was the best New Player Experience thing Dust 514 has ever had. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.