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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8795	Posted - 2015.02.20 05:33:00 - [1] - Quote Being as obsessive as I am for anything related to Dust 514 or Project Legion, hoping to god I can find something thatGÇÖll shed some light as to whatGÇÖs going on considering that CCP hasnGÇÖt said anything about Project Legion for half a year now and wonGÇÖt be doing any presentations at FanfestGÇª I put my Google Fu to work about twice a month and usually come up empty. But this time, I found quite a bit to disappoint me. I found a few bits of screenshots/level design concepts weGÇÖve never seen, and learned (regrettably) that a lot of my favorite developers at CCP are no longer there. Newer stuff, such as this screenshot of the Gallente Research Facility using GÇôan actual graphics engine- without the PS3 limitations or this crashed Caldari Raven which may be a GÇôlittle- small scale compared to itGÇÖs actual size. You can find more of those here. Those screenshots were presumably taken from within the new Project Legion that CCP has been working on, and considering that the source is Yang Haoliang GÇô the current Art Manager at CCP GÇô offers bit more credence to that theory. However, itGÇÖs not all good news. Sun Yiming for instance, who left CCP in March 2012, shortly before Fanfest 2012 where the meat of Dust 514 was revealed. They now work for Guerilla games, presumably working on something related to Killzone. An example of their work: https://onrrysun.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/newop06.jpg Given the date, this is an early rendition of the Gallente Communications Outpost - albeit looking a hell of a lot more interesting. We can clearly see some signs that the outpost retained and if you need more evidence just look in the top left where it says GÇÿDust 514GÇÖ in the Unreal Editor. ItGÇÖs older than hell and those with eagle eyes will spot the GÇ£BunkerGÇ¥ style turrets from the Closed Beta back in June 2012. You can find more of these level design concepts here: https://onrrysun.wordpress.com/my-current-example-work/ Worse yet, Galan Pang, is also a notable concept artist who is no longer with CCP, it seems. He now works for a video game company called Kabam. If youGÇÖve seen concept art of Dust 514, it was probably by him. If you didnGÇÖt know, he was responsible for all of this: https://www.behance.net/gallery/16184325/DUST-514-design https://www.behance.net/gallery/16184145/DUST-514-environment That comes as a major disappointment to me because I genuinely loved his art and I personally felt like it truly captured the essence of New Eden. HeGÇÖs one of many art developers whoGÇÖve left CCP, however. What about other artists with CCP? CCP Supalette (William Chen) is also no-longer with CCP as of December 2014, having GÇô like Galan Pang - left for Kabam. This came as a particular blow to me personally because I had met this guy at Fanfest 2014 and discussed a bunch of different ideas with other members of the Dust 514 community who had gone. He was (one of?) the artists responsible for the Minmatar Heavy, among other things. CCP JuSan (Juansheng Bao), who was responsible for the Amarr Scrambler Pistol, among other things, left CCP Games for Directive Games back in December 2014 as well. He was the Lead 3D Artist. CCP Photon (G+¡sli Konr+í+¦sson), Lead Technical Artist for CCP Games, left for Directive Games as well back in September 2014. He was one of the developers we spoke with at Fanfest 2014 who showcased Project Legion, if memory serves. Lastly, thereGÇÖs Thomas Mountfort, who left CCP in June 2014. Thomas was responsible for the cinematic trailers that inspired us toGÇª Well, actually play the game, despite its faults. All in all, my search for good news wound up being anything but. Sucks, to say the least, but what can you honestly do. What I have gained from this is a sense of worry as to what the hell is going on at CCP Shanghai. The CPM has said a few times now that they've been expanding and while it is true that they have done a lot of hiring lately, I can't help but wonder what happened with so many members of the art team - let alone other teams. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 935	Posted - 2015.02.20 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote It too much graphics GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3325	Posted - 2015.02.20 06:29:00 - [3] - Quote Dear god this could be a map unto itself if to scale. http://haoliang.in/onewebmedia/Dust_07.jpg EDIT: I want to point out that CCP doesn't really need that many graphic artists for DUST anymore, does it, if DUST 514 is doing reskins and numerical balancing now more then brand-new models. I assume the Legion project has as many as it needs at the moment, which is likely not many at this early stage. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8797	Posted - 2015.02.20 06:46:00 - [4] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Dear god this could be a map unto itself if to scale. http://haoliang.in/onewebmedia/Dust_07.jpg EDIT: I want to point out that CCP doesn't really need that many graphic artists for DUST anymore, does it, if DUST 514 is doing reskins and numerical balancing now more then brand-new models. I assume the Legion project has as many as it needs at the moment, which is likely not many at this early stage. Maybe. Not exactly wise to let go of the people who are most familiar with your franchise though, but what do I know lol. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7549	Posted - 2015.02.20 06:50:00 - [5] - Quote It's common for free to play games to only have artists for their original development and then just higher temporary workers to make new designs when they want to release new items and maps. Doesn't surprise me at all. Anyways, we've known for a while that Dust had no permanent, or even semi-permanent, artists left since Legion was put into development. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8799	Posted - 2015.02.20 13:29:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It's common for free to play games to only have artists for their original development and then just higher temporary workers to make new designs when they want to release new items and maps. Doesn't surprise me at all. Anyways, we've known for a while that Dust had no permanent, or even semi-permanent, artists left since Legion was put into development. Sure, but considering the sheer amount of them dropping off in the same period, you have to sort of wonder what's going on. Project Legion especially would be grounds to hire -more- artists if they were doing anything differently, including stuff like that Salvaging drone (SCORPION) that they revealed. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 723	Posted - 2015.02.20 14:01:00 - [10] - Quote I do share your passion for scouring the internet for stuff i havent seen yet, i saw a lot of what you linked but not the crashed ship so thanks, sad to hear that these people were let go. Who is this btw because there was artwork from the amarr scout waaaaaay before they started talking about it apparently. I guess this is why we have a war barge that looks the way it does. Not to bash whoever made it but the light in it fluctuates between bright and less bright... I can see that for an engine, but not for stars... or the hangar bay for that matter. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ

Warbot Titan X State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 166	Posted - 2015.02.20 14:18:00 - [11] - Quote Beautiful work put into this game. And it's a shame that their movement to ps3 in the beginning is the fault to this butchered graphical appearance we see now. With the current next gen consoles and of course, PC/MAC, we'd be able to see Dust 514 with all of this level of details on everything. With all of those unused map design... put in game... man... those are boners! haha. And the vegetation details and environment details.... <3 GAWDDDDD CCP, we need all of the stuff you guys had originally envisioned onto the next platform please. My Dust 514 Youtube Channel
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3235	Posted - 2015.02.20 14:22:00 - [12] - Quote Game graphic artists move around more than even programmers. I think you might be reading too much into this.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15682	Posted - 2015.02.20 14:42:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Newer stuff, such as this screenshot of the Gallente Research Facility using GÇôan actual graphics engine- without the PS3 limitations . You mean CCP's limitations, I've seen better graphics on several PS3 titles. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 4011	Posted - 2015.02.20 15:43:00 - [14] - Quote It's troubling in that it suggests new assets aren't on the table for Dust (and Legion isn't going anywhere). If that's the case, it lends credence to the idea of the current skeleton crew doing mostly spreadsheet tweaks on the cheap to try to wring money out of a game on the way out. The Dren Swarm fiasco.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8805	Posted - 2015.02.20 22:03:00 - [15] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: I do share your passion for scouring the internet for stuff i havent seen yet, i saw a lot of what you linked but not the crashed ship so thanks, sad to hear that these people were let go. Who is this btw because there was artwork from the amarr scout waaaaaay before they started talking about it apparently. I guess this is why we have a war barge that looks the way it does. Not to bash whoever made it but the light in it fluctuates between bright and less bright... I can see that for an engine, but not for stars... or the hangar bay for that matter. Same guy who made the original (and arguably much more awesome) Gallente Assault helmet: https://tonywork.artstation.com/portfolio/gallente-helmet-for-ccp-fanfest-2010 He was a 3D renderer who stopped working with CCP after Uprising. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Louis Domi Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 855	Posted - 2015.02.20 22:28:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Lastly, thereGÇÖs Thomas Mountfort, who left CCP in June 2014. Thomas was responsible for the cinematic trailers that inspired us toGÇª Well, actually play the game, despite its faults. Whoa... They got rid of this guy?.... No wonder we haven't seen a new dust trailer... They were good... Especially the really early ones...
Grimmiers 797	Posted - 2015.02.20 23:48:00 - [17] - Quote They were probably let go for now after putting project legion on pause. I miss CCP MCPeanut. MCpeanuts youtube videos of legion are kill
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5814	Posted - 2015.02.21 00:25:00 - [18] - Quote I always love seeing the shots of DUST assets on real hardware. Hope someday we can play on a machine that can show DUST's graphical assets off in all their glory. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Golden Day Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2015.02.21 00:42:00 - [19] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I always love seeing the shots of DUST assets on real hardware. Hope someday we can play on a machine that can show DUST's graphical assets off in all their glory. Pc Legion should be the space marines fighting on stations with suits made for it Dust 514 should be on planets controlling and building structures and etc 4 world's in one im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1478	Posted - 2015.02.21 01:38:00 - [20] - Quote None of this should be a surprise, or cause for worry. This is what happens when a game doesn't make money. Let this be a lesson for everyone that has ever fussed CCP for holding a sale or charging for anything. Retired

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15241	Posted - 2015.02.21 01:58:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: including stuff like that Salvaging drone (SCORPION) that they revealed. O_o wat Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8811	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:06:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: including stuff like that Salvaging drone (SCORPION) that they revealed. O_o wat http://i.imgur.com/QsoeYTn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NebJcxw.jpg Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:07:00 - [23] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I always love seeing the shots of DUST assets on real hardware. Hope someday we can play on a machine that can show DUST's graphical assets off in all their glory. You guys are all blind by fandom. Those shots look terrible. Maybe 5 years ago they would be decent? but today they have the aliasing of Skyrim done on 8 year old hardware. The fact that production shots showing off the game are not even done in 4k shows just how behind the times and complacent CCP has become. They used to be years ahead of the times... Sad.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 173	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:34:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Game graphic artists move around more than even programmers. I think you might be reading too much into this. That would be the case if CCP was getting bunch more guys. No concept, technical, level artists means no new assets. Thats why most of the updates is mostly made up of monetization crap, changes to mechanics, and bug fixes. They are probably still artists but they probably not even thinking about designing anything new with Dust.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8812	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:53:00 - [25] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I always love seeing the shots of DUST assets on real hardware. Hope someday we can play on a machine that can show DUST's graphical assets off in all their glory. You guys are all blind by fandom. Those shots look terrible. Maybe 5 years ago they would be decent? but today they have the aliasing of Skyrim done on 8 year old hardware. The fact that production shots showing off the game are not even done in 4k shows just how behind the times and complacent CCP has become. They used to be years ahead of the times... Sad. You do realize that getting a computer to run 4K at 60FPS is considered ultra-high end right now, right..? Despite popular belief, 1080p is still the standard right now because just being able to run 4K is at least $1000 just in a compatible GPU and monitor that supports that resolution... To say that "They're behind the times" because they don't cater to the least common denominator (a bunch of enthusiasts who likely wouldn't even bother with a niche game like Legion for longer than it takes to admire the graphics) is profound at best. Avinash Decker wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Game graphic artists move around more than even programmers. I think you might be reading too much into this. That would be the case if CCP was getting bunch more guys. No concept, technical, level artists means no new assets. Thats why most of the updates is mostly made up of monetization crap, changes to mechanics, and bug fixes. They are probably still artists but they probably not even thinking about designing anything new with Dust. Anything new with Dust 514 is to be expected. We were told a year ago that we would not be receiving hardcore development for Dust 514, so expecting new assets was off the table right there. What is startling, however, is that this means there are no new assets for -LEGION-, and that is what should be considered a major red flag. If development for Legion has gone stagnant, then we really don't have a long-term future. The last PS3 gets manufactured next year and after that, we're on legacy hardware that can't be replaced. We need to seriously get some progression going or all of our efforts are basically nill. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1478	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:20:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: We need to seriously get some progression going or all of our efforts are basically nill. All efforts became 'basically nill', when PS3 fanboys and drama queens flamed and guilt-tripped CCP over Legion. Most still left anyway even after CCP changed its mind and decided to keep some level of support for Dust. If the game doesn't make money, and is working with the bare minimum to stay afloat, how can there be any serious attempt at adding assets? Dust = Legion Technicalities mean nothing in that regard. Relieving artists is not the red flag. No new assets is not the red flag. The red flag was when NOTHING was said about Legion at Vegas. The redder flag was when Frame informed us that nothing was going to be said about Dust nor Legion at the upcoming FanFest. Nuff said. Retired
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7565	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:24:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It's common for free to play games to only have artists for their original development and then just higher temporary workers to make new designs when they want to release new items and maps. Doesn't surprise me at all. Anyways, we've known for a while that Dust had no permanent, or even semi-permanent, artists left since Legion was put into development. Sure, but considering the sheer amount of them dropping off in the same period, you have to sort of wonder what's going on. Project Legion especially would be grounds to hire -more- artists if they were doing anything differently, including stuff like that Salvaging drone (SCORPION) that they revealed. I'm not sure. It's common practice in F2P to lay off practically all artists after the initial game is made. The last artist they dropped in December was probably the one they kept around for new releases. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7565	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:27:00 - [28] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Game graphic artists move around more than even programmers. I think you might be reading too much into this. That would be the case if CCP was getting bunch more guys. No concept, technical, level artists means no new assets. Thats why most of the updates is mostly made up of monetization crap, changes to mechanics, and bug fixes. They are probably still artists but they probably not even thinking about designing anything new with Dust. CCP has already come out and said that they don't have any artists and that nearly all assests have been diverted to Legion. You guys are looking too far into this. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8812	Posted - 2015.02.21 14:26:00 - [29] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Game graphic artists move around more than even programmers. I think you might be reading too much into this. That would be the case if CCP was getting bunch more guys. No concept, technical, level artists means no new assets. Thats why most of the updates is mostly made up of monetization crap, changes to mechanics, and bug fixes. They are probably still artists but they probably not even thinking about designing anything new with Dust. CCP has already come out and said that they don't have any artists and that nearly all assests have been diverted to Legion. You guys are looking too far into this. It's the same development team dude... "Diverted to Legion" doesn't mean they suddenly stopped working for CCP and went over to a completely different game development team, they're either working for CCP Shanghai or they're not. In this case, they're not. That distinction doesn't separate them from Dust 514 or Legion. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 173	Posted - 2015.02.21 17:20:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anything new with Dust 514 is to be expected. We were told a year ago that we would not be receiving hardcore development for Dust 514, so expecting new assets was off the table right there. What is startling, however, is that this means there are no new assets for -LEGION-, and that is what should be considered a major red flag. If development for Legion has gone stagnant, then we really don't have a long-term future. The last PS3 gets manufactured next year and after that, we're on legacy hardware that can't be replaced. We need to seriously get some progression going or all of our efforts are basically nill. That what I was thinking awhile ago, but I didn't post it because I was mainly talking about dust. Again if there isn't anyone working on new assets that means Dust has no future its just in an undead state until further notice; thats what I'm trying to get at. You can see this by looking at the updates. Sooner or later it'll be programmers because they won't be anyone else to leave or layoff. Its only a matter of time. Also what were the posts that said shanghai was expanding? I'm pretty sure all your efforts are pretty nil, not trying to be an ass about it, but it seems this is how CCP wants.



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