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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:05:00 -
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The to fix these glaring problems and more:
- Basic medium frames serving no purpose
- Basic medium frames having the wrong slot layouts
- Amr Logi having a Minmatar slot layout at STD & ADV
- Gal Logi having a total of 2 high/low slots when the gal assault has 4
- Cal logi total progression being 7->9->14
- Amr Logi sacrificing twice for it's sidearm
- Adv & Pro Commandos being outclassed by assaults of the same tier
These changes which I have outlined in my spreadsheet should be done:
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:31:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Appears that each Assault loses a slot. Am I reading correctly?
Yes, as I wrote in the OP with reasons, I want all medium frames: basic, logistics, and assaults to progress 1 slot per tier and that's what it would look like instead of 2 slots per tier like we have now.
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:37:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Appears that each Assault loses a slot. Am I reading correctly?
Do you have a problem with assaults progressing 1 slot per tier and if you do why?
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.17 02:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Appears that each Assault loses a slot. Am I reading correctly? Do you have a problem with assaults progressing 1 slot per tier and if you do why? There are two ways to go about it, right? One way involves -1 slot at the highest level. Another involves +1 slot at the lowest level. Given that Assaults are more likely OP than UP, one of these would be ill-advised.
One way or another, medium frames progress with too many slots, and that needs to change.
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.17 02:40:00 -
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Anyone have anything to say about the two types of logis and giving the basic medium frames another equipment slot at the cost of a module slot?
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.17 17:38:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Anyone have anything to say about the two types of logis and giving the basic medium frames another equipment slot at the cost of a module slot? I'm a logi tourist. I only run tgem when I'm in the mood to... you know... HELP people. Doesn't happen often. So I defer to actual logis on the matter.
Basic frames are supposed to be the generalist that people go to who want versatility and not specialization. Basic frames could logi and assault, but not nearly as well as those specialized at it (lacking slots and rifle skills to be best assault as well as lacking fitting bonuses and more equipment slots to be best logi).
Also I am a logi on my main account Velvet Overkill; baseless accusations of someone not being an actual logi really doesn't help your argument or make this thread go in the right direction.
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.18 17:44:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Anyone have anything to say about the two types of logis and giving the basic medium frames another equipment slot at the cost of a module slot? I'm a logi tourist. I only run tgem when I'm in the mood to... you know... HELP people. Doesn't happen often. So I defer to actual logis on the matter. Basic frames are supposed to be the generalist that people go to who want versatility and not specialization. Basic frames could logi and assault, but not nearly as well as those specialized at it (lacking slots and rifle skills to be best assault as well as lacking fitting bonuses and more equipment slots to be best logi). Also I am a logi on my main account Velvet Overkill; baseless accusations of someone not being an actual logi really doesn't help your argument or make this thread go in the right direction. I said *I* am a logi tourist. Never said a damn thing about you. Put your pants back on. I simply dispute the need for assaults to lose a slot
Saying "I defer to actual logis on the matter" means that you would only accept the opinions of actual logis and could imply that the person you are talking to is not an actual logi, so you wont listen to them.
Killer's Coys wrote:Wtf I'm dreaming or you wanna need the assault?
At the all levels assault is one of the most balanced thing in this game.
Assaults have the correct slots pg cpu and ehp, but aren't OP.
And the slot progression in really good as it's at the moment.
If the slot progression was +1, what would be the significance to use a proto suit instead of an advanced?
You paid 3x more just for 1 mod? LOL.
There are some changes which must be done, I agree with you, but need the assault is just the worst thing to do.
1) increase commando speed
2) biff the logi slot progression (as you said for the gallogi)
Commando are not up because of assaults. There are up because of the heavy,because it's hardly the same speed, the same scan, but less hp and not the HMG slot.
Don't forget comma do have a dps increasing bonus and 2 lights weapons (!) so that's normal and logical assault have more slots and a better slot progression.
Heavy : the HMG and a resistance bonus
Commando : 2 light weapon and dps increasing bonus
Scouts : cloak and scan
Logi : support support support => slots
Assault : weapons fitting bonus and bog slot progression
I like all your idea (about the logi type I and II, the medium frame which has 2 equipment instead of 1) but for me the current slot progression (except for basic logi) is quite good for all of the dropsuit in this game. My opinion.
We did wait to see the assault become back good (don't forget how it was between 1.8 and hotfix Charlie) and now it's a really good and balanced suit. Even between the STA - ADV - PRO slot progression.
In case you haven't noticed, all light frames and heavies pay the same price for 1 more slot per tier and more PG/CPU. It doesn't really make sense for assaults to have 2 slots per tier.
Commandos are UP for many reasons and this is just one of those reasons: the slot discrepancy gets bigger at every tier and by prototype, an assault can have more speed, damage, regen, and scan stats than a prototype commando.
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